Brass sticking in chamber

[DLT]

You never thought to back off on the load. Common sense.

1. It’s not my rifle
2. I have all but blown shit apart from hot loads in my rifles but never once was sticking brass a symptom

 

[Gabe22BR]

means your chamber is oversized- you need a die for that chamber & separate brass…

 

[rijndael]

means your chamber is oversized- you need a die for that chamber & separate brass…

How do we know it's not a die issue?

I would say his die isn't a good match for his chamber, but I don't think we can say which one's at fault.

 

[Gabe22BR]

Reamer

How do we know it's not a die issue?

I would say his die isn't a good match for his chamber, but I don't think we can say which one's at fault.

reamer used is wore out-

Won’t be long brass will separate at bulge..

 

[DLT]

Reamer

reamer used is wore out-

Won’t be long brass will separate at bulge..

They don’t last long enough to separate

 

[DLT]

Update: He has grabbed another new piece of brass and loaded it, fired it and sized it for 4 firings. No issues with it sticking, only difference is he did not anneal any of those firings. Question now is can over annealing cause that type of issue if enough heat was to go down case body ?

 

[RSW1]

You never thought to back off on the load. Common sense.

The Hogden website give a max load of 41.8 gr. of H4350 at 60,000 PSI
The Berger website has 40.7 H4350 with a 140 gr bullet.
From your post it sounds like you always push the limits.
It's so easy to back off the load and see if the problem goes away. You are looking for all kinds of measurement issues which will drive you nuts. You know you have hot loads and you refuse to deal with it.

 

[fkimble@charter.net]

Sounds like he maybe letting the flame or heat go too low on the case, causing it to soften maybe?

Gabe, wouldn't a wore out reamer cut an undersize chamber? And if the chamber is oversized, wouldn't a regular size FL die just work the brass more sizing it smaller than needed where it would be very loose in the chamber?

Frank

 

[RSW1]

First off Webster it’s my gun not his. Yes backed off the load with same results. I don’t really care what bergers site says seeing I’m shooting a totally different bullet. If I wanted smart ass answers I would have asked on Facebook where all the brilliant shooters seem to be.

 

[Webster]

First off Webster it’s my gun not his. Yes backed off the load with same results. I don’t really care what bergers site says seeing I’m shooting a totally different bullet. If I wanted smart ass answers I would have asked on Facebook where all the brilliant shooters seem to be.

I don't think you ever said you backed off. Have a good day.

 

[Gabe22BR]

Update: He has grabbed another new piece of brass and loaded it, fired it and sized it for 4 firings. No issues with it sticking, only difference is he did not anneal any of those firings. Question now is can over annealing cause that type of issue ?

It’s not the annealing-
It’s the new brass… fit that that camber- not sharing different chambers-

It’ll still separate- … unless ya got a die to match chamber size…don’t care how ya go about it.. it’s an oversized chamber-….yall found out about it the good way…

Sounds like he maybe letting the flame or heat go too low on the case, causing it to soften maybe?

Gabe, wouldn't a wore out reamer cut an undersize chamber? And if the chamber is oversized, wouldn't a regular size FL die just work the brass more sizing it smaller than needed where it would be very loose in the chamber?

Frank

By the time it wallered around - naw…them scratches on case show that from marker…

Looks like he got it figured out.. & got plenty of info..

 

[mikecr]

Since it’s a savage we can shim the baffle to fix that potential problem correct ?

I don't even know what a Savage baffle is.
But good camming will pull the case out or rip off the rim trying.
The problem was described like you'd have to pull back the bolt (with difficulty) to extract cases.
Just throwin it out there.

 

[DLT]

I don't even know what a Savage baffle is.
But good camming will pull the case out or rip off the rim trying.
The problem was described like you'd have to pull back the bolt (with difficulty) to extract cases.
Just throwin it out there.

Correct after the bolt is all the way up he has to beat the handle to pull case from chamber

 

[M-61]

Since it’s a savage we can shim the baffle to fix that potential problem correct ?

What is a baffle?

 

[DLT]

What is a baffle?

It’s not a baffle. I got it confused with the part that’s directly behind the bolt head on a savage rifle, I think that piece is called a baffle. Maybe the piece in front of the bolt handle is the extraction cam

 

[M-61]

It’s not a baffle. I got it confused with the part that’s directly behind the bolt head on a savage rifle, I think that piece is called a baffle. Maybe the piece in front of the bolt handle is the extraction cam

I now understand what you mean. That is either installed correctly or it falls off!
However I again re-read all the posts.
I no longer know if I’m answering the OP or someone else. Then the posts jump to annealing. Then it says you loaded 4 times without a problem. Same case 4x or 4 new pieces of brass?
Then we have loads which some posters say are really on the hot side! They are indeed. But did you reduce the loads to be successful on those four? Then we get a smart ass post. Never understood the value in that.
I tried my best to assist but now I’m no longer sure of the problem,
or if it even still exists.
Somehow with annealing entering the equation I will tell you that you should be no where close to the case head at all.
If you now still have some problem, maybe restate it, so I know what and to whom I answered. If the problem is gone enjoy your rifle by all means.

 

[Bc'z]

Looks to me like there was a ring in the chamber that was polished out leaving a bulge. Give it back to who chambered it and request they fix it.

My uneducated thoughts of the marks on the brass....
Looks like an egg to me.
Your recommendation to have the chamber redone correctly is the only fix, trying to do a work around now will only bring the problem back later.

 

[DLT]

I now understand what you mean. That is either installed correctly or it falls off!
However I again re-read all the posts.
I no longer know if I’m answering the OP or someone else. Then the posts jump to annealing. Then it says you loaded 4 times without a problem. Same case 4x or 4 new pieces of brass?
Then we have loads which some posters say are really on the hot side! They are indeed. But did you reduce the loads to be successful on those four? Then we get a smart ass post. Never understood the value in that.
I tried my best to assist but now I’m no longer sure of the problem,
or if it even still exists.
Somehow with annealing entering the equation I will tell you that you should be no where close to the case head at all.
If you now still have some problem, maybe restate it, so I know what and to whom I answered. If the problem is gone enjoy your rifle by all means.

He lowered the charge by over 1 grain and fired a new piece of brass 7 times with no extraction issues. He then loaded that same piece 3 more times at his original load and none of those firings stuck in the chamber. That’s 10 firings on 1 piece without any hiccups. He only annealed that 1 piece of brass carefully 3 times between all 10 firings. We seem to think he was getting careless with his annealing method be it too long of time in the flame or too far down the case and got it soft. I’m thinking if the chamber was a problem all brass would stick every time. Solution found or not 10 firings are miles better than 2 which he was getting

 

[M-61]

Thank you for the reply and good shooting!
Chuck

 

[Alfred]

I would recommend you consider doing a chamber cast with cerrosafe, you can verify you chamber dimensions this way.

If the chamber checks out.....

Try a different resizing die, maybe have Whidden make one custom for your chamber. Don't just go get a small base die, they focus on the 0.200" datem line. You want a resizing die that is smaller where the scratches are.

Hope this helps

Al