Bore Tech

[SeabeeKen]

Has anyone used Bore Tech Eliminator? I tried some today and was amazed at how fast and easy it removed carbon and copper from my 280AI. Six patches and it was clean after 60 rounds. Used it on my Glock 21 and it was clean with 4 patches and no trace of copper after 60 rounds of all sorts of bullets including Barnes copper bullets. Non toxic also!

Definitely worth a try

 

[fdshuster]

Ken: Bore Tech Eliminator was one of the solvents I tried, and with my Hawkeye borescope, proved that it will not remove carbon. Powder fouling ( easy to remove, spit on a patch would probably work), and copper if left to soak for a while, yes.

Unles you are able to borescope the barrel, before and after cleaning, with anything, you really don't know if you removed the carbon fouling. I've seen dozens of patch's come out pure white & the rifle owners swore it was carbon free, until I showed them what it looked like for real. Coal black with the baked-on layers of carbon.

It also left a slimy residue on the Bore Tech coated cleaning rods, and anything it came in contact with.

 

[SeabeeKen]

Thanks for the update. I'll try some of my other cleaners and see if anything else comes out. I'll use some Montana extreme and copper killer to see if anything else is in there since I don't have a bore scope.

 

[SeabeeKen]

I just cleaned the same rifle again with both bore solvent and copper killer made by Montana Extreme. Absolutely no trace of anything else came out of that bore. Eliminator did remove the copper fouling and powder fouling and did it faster than other solvents that I have used. I found no trace at all of any slimy residue on any parts used to clean the rifle nor was there any on the rifle that I can find. As for carbon, I can't say as I don't have a bore scope. I for one like eliminator and it seems better than anything else I have used to clean my guns.
In my 45 auto, I can see only shiny metal in the bore and no trace of carbon or any other fouling after cleaning with eliminator. I like it, so far.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

You should probably keep using it if youre that sold on it. Must be a new barrel if montana extreme didnt pull more out after the eliminator. Do you work for bore tech?

 

[Tim Singleton]

I used to think my barrels were clean Then I bought a bore scope.
I have bore tech eliminator butches bore shine wipeout patchout Montana extreme Sweets. You name it I've pretty well tried. None of them worked on their own it took a bronze brush.

Tried the nylons nope no go
I shoot a ppc

Again this is my experience take it for what it' worth, not much

Remember you asked

 

[fdshuster]

ken: As said above, if you like Bore tech Eliminator, by all means keep using it. I tried Montana Extreme also & it is very powerful, the fumes alone will wipe you out if not careful. Gotta wonder how long it will be before the EPA makes them change their formula, as they have done with Shooters Choice, the original Butch's, etc.

I've settled on Butch's for "normal" cleaning, leaving it to soak overnight for light copper. None of my custom barrels copper foul heavy, and I monitor the level of carbon fouling with the borescope. When it becomes more than acceptable, it is removed with JB bore paste and a bronze brush. Using VihtaVouri powders requires a light JB application about every 400 rounds. With Varget, 4350, 4064, etc. the JB is used every 250 to 300 rounds fired. The bore is never cleaned to bare metal. Just a trace of carbon is left to prevent the need for fouler shots, 'til the rifles start to shoot again.

Amazing what you can learn with a borescope. Money well spent.

 

[338 Mollett]

+ 1 on money well spent ! I,m still looking for the adapter to look into a woman's mind. ;D

 

[PMA3]

I've had the same results as fdshuster with Bore Tech. I just gave away 2 bottles last weekend. I take about 20 minutes to clean OUTSIDE right after I'm finished shooting a match....I like to clean when my barrel is still warm if possible. I first use a combo mix of JB and Sweets, nylon brush and patches, soak for 5 minutes, totally dry patch the barrel, then use Butch's (old formula) with patches and soak for 5 minutes, then dry. This is a pretty toxic approach but it works for me and it's what I have confidence in.

Paul

 

[Longone1]

I want to apologize for this question in this thread but when did they switch Butch's formula? I noticed it was much more red than my previous bottle but it still seems to clean just fine. You can PM me so we don't take away from the thread topic if you would like.

Longone

 

[fdshuster]

Longone: I commented to my gunsmith, from whose shop I buy a lot of my supplies, about 4 years ago, that the Butch's seemed to be "different". It was then that he said the EPA made them change their ingrediants. A short time later, spoke to a rep at Lyman on a different matter, asked if the formula for Butch's had been changed and they said, "yes, one of the chemicals we were using had to be removed".

In all honesty, I have not noticed any difference in the cleaning ability.

 

[Longone1]

I can't say that it is better or worse, still seems to do a good job. Considering the fact that Lyman owns Butches now that would most likely account for any changes in it's make-up.

I have also tried Bore Tech Eliminator and keep going back to Butch's, just gave away a small box of different bore? cleaners and won't be looking back.

JB and Butch's have done me good.


Longone

 

[jim_k]

Try Boretech Copper Remover and Boretech Carbon Remover. You'll change your mind about Boretech products. The Copper Remover should be used with a brass bristle brush, although a nylon oversized brush can be used; a one-caliber oversized brass bristle brush with Boretech Copper Remover will clean down to a mirror faster than anything else I know. The Carbon Remover is like anything else - Hoppe's No. 9/Shooter's Choice. It is used to remove carbon fouling between shooting sessions, when copper hasn't yet become an issue.
Jim

 

[fdshuster]

Jim: Are you verifying the removal of the carbon fouling with a borescope? If not, how do you know it's really "working"?

A clean patch coming out the muzzle does not prove there is no carbon in the bore.

 

[jim_k]

I put a slip of paper in the muzzle, and shine a light on it. If the rifling is like a mirror, I figure it's GTG. I have not borescoped anything, but I took one of my barrels to a noted gunsmith, and he borescoped it, and said it was beautiful. I guess that's hearsay, but that's what I'm basing it on, basically looking at the grooves/lands w/the Mark II eyeball. Have you tried Boretech Copper Remover, followed by Boretech Carbon remover, in the fashion I described, and then borescoped a barrel? I'm not talking about Boretech Eliminator, because I consider it just like Hoppe's #9. I'd be interested in your findings. I should also note that I diamond-lap my barrels after about every 400-500 rounds. BTW, I'm modifying this post again, to mention that the instructions on Boretech Copper Remover say to use a nylon brush, so do what they say, but use one that's oversize.
Jim

 

[brian427cobra]

I just tried BT-E for the first time, it seems it turns a patch blue very easily, at first I thought my Bartlein tube was a copper mine, since I have a T2K muzzle brake on my rifle, my crown gets caked full of powder residue, so I put a little BT-E on patch to clean the crown, it turned blue immediately, and didn't hardly touch the powder residue. I finished cleaning the crown with MPro7 and cleaned the bore again with Butches, no more copper came out, and just a tad of dark stuff. I don't have borescope, so my observations are based on my patches.

 

[LawrenceHanson]

Are all of you guys aware that Bore Tech Eliminator will produce false positive results on your patch if you are using a brass jag? It is an aggressive surfactant that will turn a patch blue in a matter of seconds after contact with brass.

I’m not saying anything bad about the product. I use it and like it. But I only use it with stainless steel or aluminum jags.

 

[Rtheurer]

Have had a bore scope since 2004. Going on 10 years now. I use only Bore tech Eliminator at this point. Like Tim S I tried every thing I could get my had on at the time to compare. I had a good test subject that I used as I was shooting NRA Service Rifle pretty heavy at the time and we shot 88 rounds in a match so I had a good test mule with the same rounds on the rifle every time I cleaned it for the test. I used to use sweets and Butche's with some Hoppes at the time. Then tested a few more like Montanas and so forth. Like you all know those dern things are real ugly whe it comes to vapor and Fumes. It was funny on how close alot of them are to doing the same job. So with that I went with the one that does a good job but doesNOT stink. For me it was a big deal.
I hardly ever use a brush either. no need. Like Shuster I now like to run some JB about every 400 or 500 rounds.
Been working.
After having a Bore scope you Really know for sure what you have done or not. Until then I was just guessing.

RT

 

[snakepit]

Bore Tech ranks the Eliminator as "Good for Carbon and Excellent for Copper". It ranks the C4 Carbon remover as Excellent for Carbon and ranks the Cu+2 Copper Remover as Excellent for Copper. It looks like the advantage of the Eliminator is it is a single step process but not as good in removing carbon whereas using the C4 and Cu+2 would be a two step process but better in removing the carbon.

Also Bore Tech has a product called Chameleon Gel which is similar to J-B and IOSSO. It changes color to let you know when the bore is clean.

www.boretech.com/docs/chemicalguide.shtml

 

[LawrenceHanson]

As I understand it, the Bore Tech line of solvents are water-based surfactants. I have tried all of them and continue to use Eliminator only. The CU+2 copper solvent was no more effective than Eliminator and C4 carbon cleaner turned out to be snake oil, just like any other carbon solvent I have tried. Cleaning the barrel of an AK-47 that has had thousands of rounds of dirty east European corrosive ammunition fired through it has shown me a thing or two about the effectiveness of various bore cleaners.