Bore Tech

[mac86951]

As I understand it, the Bore Tech line of solvents are water-based surfactants. I have tried all of them and continue to use Eliminator only. The CU+2 copper solvent was no more effective than Eliminator and C4 carbon cleaner turned out to be snake oil, just like any other carbon solvent I have tried. Cleaning the barrel of an AK-47 that has had thousands of rounds of dirty east European corrosive ammunition fired through it has shown me a thing or two about the effectiveness of various bore cleaners.

+1 on the tool used in your photo!

Only way to know if carbon is removed. (not powder fouling, not copper fouling but CARBON fouling). Carbon can and will be polished to a mirror finish by the time people think the barrel is clean. This means the white paper mirror test isn't really a perfect example. Bore scope is the only way to know for sure.

I'll go on to add: Does your accuracy suffer from Carbon buildup? Its for you to decide. Old ways of cleaning and old processes still work for most, so keep up the good work I'm not saying you need to change.

-Mac

 

[fdshuster]

I make it a point to ignore advertising/ marketing claims made by any company selling the product in question. If the results are posted by an independant testing lab, that has nothing to gain by the claimed results, then I'll sit up and take notice.

Many of these claims are nothing but hype designed for one purpose: to sell their product. I have too much $$$$ already spent on testing cleaning products, finding them to be worthless, and throwing them away. I've settled on what I've proven to work for me, and will spend the funds on those products.

If you are shopping for a new car, refrigerator, power tool, etc., who would you believe? The manufacturer or "Consumer Reports"?

Just another example of the Hawkeye borescope paying for itself in savings. Without borescope results it's all guesswork and conjecture.

 

[fdshuster]

jim_k: As mac said above, a piece of white paper and a light at the muzzle will tell you nothing about carbon in the bore. Of the hundreds of barrels I've inspected over the last 8 years, in every instance the carbon begins 2" to 3" in front of the chamber mouth and continues for about 8" to 10". From that point to the muzzle, I have never seen any carbon, not a trace. The barrel surface is clean. It is common to see copper fouling all the way to the muzzle, but never carbon.

Must be related to the heat of the burning powder, it being the greatest in that area of the barrel. That intense heat is baking the carbon onto the bore surface, the reason it's so difficult to remove.

I've also found it to be an advantage to give the barrel at least a minimal cleaning at the range, while it is still warm. Maybe even leave a light coating of solvent in the bore, to be further cleaned when at home.

Try taking a couple of fired cases, as they come out of the chamber, and immediately wipe the case necks with any solvent, even Hoppes #9. The black carbon will easily be removed. Then let others of these same fired cases sit several hours & try to use the same solvent to wipe the case necks. It will either not come off at all, or be very hard to remove.

Not trying to be a know-it-all, ( I certainly don't know-it-all), just relating my experiences with the borescope.

 

[jim_k]

Understood. Thanks for the info. I'd still be interested to see what a borescope shows, doing the process I mentioned. I just can't test it because I don't have a borescope.
Jim

 

[Dgd6mm]

Understood. Thanks for the info. I'd still be interested to see what a borescope shows, doing the process I mentioned. I just can't test it because I don't have a borescope.
Jim

You would be amazed at what it shows. (Everything), like not leaving any stone unturned.

 

[snakepit]

I have not borescoped anything, but I took one of my barrels to a noted gunsmith, and he borescoped it, and said it was beautiful. Have you tried Boretech Copper Remover, followed by Boretech Carbon remover, in the fashion I described, and then borescoped a barrel?
Jim

Like you do I also use the Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover and the Cu+2 Copper remover but I use the Carbon Remover first then the Copper Remover. This is the order a Bore Tech technician recommended to me. He said the Carbon Remover had a copper softening agent in it which will aid in copper removal if that is your next step and that copper removal is easier if you remove carbon first.

I have taken 2 barrels to a gunsmith that have been cleaned with these products. He borescoped them and said my barrels looked great and to keep doing whatever I had been doing to clean them.

 

[jim_k]

Thank you, snakepit. I will change the order of my procedure.
Jim

 

[tclaunch]

I too am a Bore Tech fan, I have tried most everything out there too and have settled on the Copper remover. I just use it only with very good success. I do have access to a Hawkeye and use it regularly.

 

[dannyr3_8]

+ 1 on money well spent ! I,m still looking for the adapter to look into a woman's mind. ;D

lol womans mind good luck friend

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

A bore scope told me that the separate Bore Tech cleaners Bore Tech C4 Carbon Remover and the Cu+2 Copper remover were the best thing that ever happened to guns. With Eliminator being right behind them.

 

[SeabeeKen]

I've also tried their copper remover and carbon remover. Both great IMO. Thanks for the input, very much appreciated.
BTW, I'm not a Bore Tech employee
I do like their products...so far
I've also found their jags are aluminum so they don't give a false copper reading like a brass jag would.