A o ring does nothing but preloaded the threads .
Most press the the ram and the the threads that that hold the dies do line up
From closed to opens
best die LOCKING ring
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Most press the the ram and the the threads that that hold the dies do line up
From closed to opens
Screw your die down till the lock ring almost touches the press, now wiggle the die back and forth. There is slop in the threads and the die can move. The o-ring allows the die to move and self center in the threads. And my point being without the rubber o-ring you can lock the die down off center and even tilted because of the slop in the threads.
So again how do you know after locking down the die lock ring that is centered and not tilted. The same applies to the expander if it is locked down off center and induces neck runout. The Forster Co-Ax press allows the die to float and the Forster dies allow the expander to float and self center.
So again what do the rest of you do to ensure your dies are straight, centered and square in the press if o-rings are not used.
Guy the presses on the die center the threads o ring does the same the thread align in the same spot with or without a o ring
All a o ring does is take up the loosens in the thread Most press and dies have the best a class two thread
All a o ring does is take up the loosens in the thread Most press and dies have the best a class two thread
Most are smart enough to know a dirty, scratched up old dime is worth more than a shiny new penny.
I tighten everything down until the threads start to smoke and then give it two more full turns.
The above is a Air Force joke on how the Army and Navy tighten things down.
I use Lee die lock rings and tighten them down finger tight and use reference marks. This allows the dies to float and self center and I pretend my old Rockchucker press is a Co-Ax press with floating dies.
And in the Air Force "MAD" means Mutual Assured Destruction.
I thought you said you were a Navy man, now Air Force ??
I drive a truck over my Dies then throw um in the mud prior to sizing.
Just messin y'all
I said my Dad was in the Navy for over 23 years and was a Airdale during WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. I decided to work on aircraft on dry land in the Air Force. Overseas cigarettes were .17 cents a pack, beer was .60 cents a six pack and a bottle of booze was around a $1.75 and on pay days or when the Eagle shits we put on our Viking helmets and went into town and raped and pillaged.
MAC 1969-73 you call we haul.
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My Father died in 1976 at the age of 52 getting $400.00 a month retirement pay. In 1943 when he joined the Navy at home they didn't have electricity or indoor plumbing. He didn't understand why some people didn't like the military when it had free uniforms, electric lights and indoor flush toilets.
But you can thank me for 19 years of being a Navy brat, four years in the active Air Force and eight years in the Air Nation Guard as a Weekend Warrior. And remember this, not one Russian bomber ever got past Harrisburg Pa when I was in the Air Guard.
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Stillson!
You don't have to thank me for my service, we were told to take our uniforms off at the airport so the non-vets wouldn't spit on us.
And today if you work for the Federal Government and served your country in the military you do not have veterans preference status. Meaning non-vets with bone spurs have the same status as veterans and before we had the all volunteer military the veterans had a higher status than non-vets. Meaning during all the military cutbacks after the Viet Nam war you could be bumped out of your job by non-vets.
So "Thank you for your service" coming from non-vets gives me heart burn.
Military Veterans "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers"
I have visions of you pounding on the crowbar with a sledge hammer and peening and pounding the barrel liners to death.
Don't worry it gave the civilians at the overhaul depots job security.
And with all the experts in this forum on the topic of lock rings none of you told us how you square up your dies before tightening up the lock ring. So again why do the dies and cases float in a Co-Ax press but many reloaders do not square up their dies in a standard press to make sure the die is not tilted.
And if you don't get it, what does Bart B. over active ego, the Navy, M14 rifles and crowbars have to do with reloading.
O-Rings on Dies May Reduce Run-Out
http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/o-rings-on-dies-may-reduce-run-out/
"Here’s an inexpensive procedure that can help you load straighter ammo, with slightly better measured concentricity (i.e. less run-out) on the case necks and bullets. Simply use a rubber O-Ring on the underside of the die locking ring. This allows the die to self-align itself (slightly) to the case that is being sized. Without the O-Ring, if the flat surface on the top of your press is not perfectly square with the thread axis, your die can end up slightly off-angle. This happens when the bottom of the locking ring butts up tight against the top of the press. The O-Ring allows the die to float slightly, and that may, in turn, reduce the amount of run-out induced during case sizing."
And below there is a thick rubber washer under the Forster expander spindle lock nut that allows the expander to float and self center and reduce neck runout.
So again, if you can lock down the expander down off center what makes you think you can't lock down the die off center when you tighten the dies lock ring.
Below a simple cheap Lee die has a locking collet that centers the expander when tightened down and the dies lock ring comes with a rubber o-ring.
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I will not let anyone who starts degrading and demeaning my military service get by unscathed. This forum's moderators don't shut down the instigators. Nor do readers caution the ones starting it.
You'll be best served by convincing moderators to shut down the instigators. I've had no luck doing that so they must not see anything wrong with it. Therefore, the opinions of the rest of us are meaningless.
Did you ever stop to think about the complaints the moderators get about you Bart B. that nullify your complaints.
Or the amount of likes a posting gets to a persons screen name that counts in their favor.
Or how you bring up your Naval service and shooting the M14 rifle.
Bottom line, the Navy, M14 rifles, crowbars etc have nothing to do with reloading. And my postings were a reflection of your ego driven postings to show the irony of your postings.
And another poster here thought I was Uncle Nick and was mad because you and Uncle Nick tag teamed him in another forum to feed your egos.
But you wouldn't give me credit for the 19 years of eating Navy beans, living in a Quonset hut and wearing low quarter shoes because the military pay my dad got was so low. I had 19 years in the Navy before joining the Air Force and then serving in the national guard.
Your problem is you can dish out sarcastic comments but can't take it in return.
Thank you for your sarcasm................"Dude"
Just get some Lee lock rings, they will allow the die to float, and they can be tightened down with just your fingers and the die will not move.
P.S. And buy a torque wrench, some duct tape and string so you don't strip the dies threads when the press cams over.
Don't take this the wrong way, but if you had your own concentricity gauge you would know where in the reloading process that any runout was occurring and fix the problem.
Its a little late after the cartridge is already loaded and at your brother house, and the expander pulled the case neck off center.
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