best die LOCKING ring

[Uncle Ed]

Redding and other’s instructions are for novices that it doesnt matter to if they push their shoulders back .015 or .030 as long as it goes off in their guns. No accuracy minded shooter that i know of just blindly screws their dies down to the shellholder and starts loading. Custom dies are shorter for a reason. That reason is so that the press or shellholder does not influence the case going into the die such that it will if you touch the shellholder. You have to remember the audience they have with die instructions. There has to be a fail safe built in so that the average reloader doesnt push their shoulder back .100

I'm 68 years old and have been reloading for over 47 years and also know that chambers and dies vary in size. And the RCBS die instructions are to insure the full length resized case will chamber in any rifle regardless of the head clearance.

So to keep this simple Redding made the five competition shell holders so the die could contact the shell holder and square the die.

And we are talking about the best lock rings, so I guess you can say my question is how do you know the die is square and not tilted in the press threads if it is not touching the shell holder. And how do you set the die and its lock ring up to make sure the die is square.

Again I'm going back to the 1974 Speer manual and the chapter on setting up your dies. Do you shim the die with a feeler gauge between the die and shell holder to square the die and then remove the feeler gauge.

Bottom line how do you setup your dies to remove the slop in the threads with dies that do not touch the shell holder. And how do you know when you tighten down the lock ring that the die is square and not tilted.

This posting boils down to your favorite lock ring and how you like to secure the lock ring. But I'm asking regardless of the type lock ring what do do to ensure the die is centered and square in the press "before" securing the lock ring.

 

[savagedasher]

I'm 68 years old and have been reloading for over 47 years and also know that chambers and dies vary in size. And the RCBS die instructions are to insure the full length resized case will chamber in any rifle regardless of the head clearance.

So to keep this simple Redding made the five competition shell holders so the die could contact the shell holder and square the die.

And we are talking about the best lock rings, so I guess you can say my question is how do you know the die is square and not tilted in the press threads if it is not touching the shell holder. And how do you set the die and its lock ring up to make sure the die is square.

Again I'm going back to the 1974 Speer manual and the chapter on setting up your dies. Do you shim the die with a feeler gauge between the die and shell holder to square the die and then remove the feeler gauge.

Bottom line how do you setup your dies to remove the slop in the threads with dies that do not touch the shell holder. And how do you know when you tighten down the lock ring that the die is square and not tilted.

This posting boils down to your favorite lock ring and how you like to secure the lock ring. But I'm asking regardless of the type lock ring what do do to ensure the die is centered and square in the press "before" securing the lock ring.

79 here and have been loading almost as long as you are old
Built race engine fo over 40 years an the is no way when metal makes hard contact together is anything beyond that point is going to change

 

[Uncle Ed]

79 here and have been loading almost as long as you are old
Built race engine fo over 40 years an the is no way when metal makes hard contact together is anything beyond that point is going to change

I find it hard to believe you were a expert reloader when you were eleven years old. And engine main bearings float on a film of oil and you progressively torque the heads to ensure they are flat and square.

The link below at this website tells you a rubber o-ring "May" reduce runout. Meaning if the lock ring is not secured square with the die it can induce runout. So if you do not use o-rings how do you know "YOUR" lock ring is square with your die when it is secured.

O-Rings on Dies May Reduce Run-Out
http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/o-rings-on-dies-may-reduce-run-out/

 

[Uncle Ed]

Such is life when most die's headspace is about .005" less than a GO gauge.

Bart B.

Stare at the image below until it is imprinted forever in your mind. How do expect anyone to believe a word you post when you abuse your reloading equipment with slip joint pliers.

Below the cheaper eBay Chinese rubber jawed pliers.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CRESCENT-5...962417?hash=item2cde3ae3f1:g:RUAAAOSwNp1b2H8d

 

[savagedasher]

I find it hard to believe you were a expert reloader when you were eleven years old. And engine main bearings float on a film of oil and you progressively torque the heads to ensure they are flat and square.

The link below at this website tells you a rubber o-ring "May" reduce runout. Meaning if the lock ring is not secured square with the die it can induce runout. So if you do not use o-rings how do you know "YOUR" lock ring is square with your die when it is secured.

O-Rings on Dies May Reduce Run-Out
http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/o-rings-on-dies-may-reduce-run-out/

A o ring does nothing but preloaded the threads .
Most press the the ram and the the threads that that hold the dies do line up
From closed to opens

 

[Uncle Ed]

A o ring does nothing but preloaded the threads .
Most press the the ram and the the threads that that hold the dies do line up
From closed to opens

Screw your die down till the lock ring almost touches the press, now wiggle the die back and forth. There is slop in the threads and the die can move. The o-ring allows the die to move and self center in the threads. And my point being without the rubber o-ring you can lock the die down off center and even tilted because of the slop in the threads.

So again how do you know after locking down the die lock ring that is centered and not tilted. The same applies to the expander if it is locked down off center and induces neck runout. The Forster Co-Ax press allows the die to float and the Forster dies allow the expander to float and self center.

So again what do the rest of you do to ensure your dies are straight, centered and square in the press if o-rings are not used.

 

[savagedasher]

Guy the presses on the die center the threads o ring does the same the thread align in the same spot with or without a o ring
All a o ring does is take up the loosens in the thread Most press and dies have the best a class two thread

 

[Bart B.]

How do expect anyone to believe a word you post when you abuse your reloading equipment with slip joint pliers.

Most are smart enough to know a dirty, scratched up old dime is worth more than a shiny new penny.

 

[Uncle Ed]

Everyone has thier own METHOD to thier own MADNESS.
Just how MAD are you?

I tighten everything down until the threads start to smoke and then give it two more full turns.
The above is a Air Force joke on how the Army and Navy tighten things down.

I use Lee die lock rings and tighten them down finger tight and use reference marks. This allows the dies to float and self center and I pretend my old Rockchucker press is a Co-Ax press with floating dies.

And in the Air Force "MAD" means Mutual Assured Destruction.

 

[JFrank]

I thought you said you were a Navy man, now Air Force ??

I drive a truck over my Dies then throw um in the mud prior to sizing.
Just messin y'all

 

[Uncle Ed]

Most are smart enough to know a dirty, scratched up old dime is worth more than a shiny new penny.

Bart B. thank you for your two cents.

Navy gun plumbers favorite tool.

 

[Uncle Ed]

I thought you said you were a Navy man, now Air Force ??

I drive a truck over my Dies then throw um in the mud prior to sizing.
Just messin y'all

I said my Dad was in the Navy for over 23 years and was a Airdale during WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. I decided to work on aircraft on dry land in the Air Force. Overseas cigarettes were .17 cents a pack, beer was .60 cents a six pack and a bottle of booze was around a $1.75 and on pay days or when the Eagle shits we put on our Viking helmets and went into town and raped and pillaged.

MAC 1969-73 you call we haul.

 

[JFrank]

I thank your father for his service.

 

[JFrank]

Adjustable metric wrench!
Great fo splitting someone's wig.
Also can be used for plumbing I believe.
Edit: Yeah I'm bored.

I know..
your bushings are hung up in the mail"
Maybe tomorrow

 

[Uncle Ed]

I thank your father for his service.

My Father died in 1976 at the age of 52 getting $400.00 a month retirement pay. In 1943 when he joined the Navy at home they didn't have electricity or indoor plumbing. He didn't understand why some people didn't like the military when it had free uniforms, electric lights and indoor flush toilets.

But you can thank me for 19 years of being a Navy brat, four years in the active Air Force and eight years in the Air Nation Guard as a Weekend Warrior. And remember this, not one Russian bomber ever got past Harrisburg Pa when I was in the Air Guard.

 

[JFrank]

Let me get this straight,

You want me to thank you for being someone's kid?

Not!

I will thank you for the 4 years of service.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Adjustable metric wrench!
Great fo splitting someone's wig.
Also can be used for plumbing I believe.
Edit: Yeah I'm bored.

Stillson!

 

[jimmymac]

What a PIA.

 

[Bart B.]

Ever seen the giant crowbars used to back out 8 to 16 inch naval gun barrel rifled liners up to about 60 feet long?

 

[Uncle Ed]

Let me get this straight,

You want me to thank you for being someone's kid?

Not!

I will thank you for the 4 years of service.

You don't have to thank me for my service, we were told to take our uniforms off at the airport so the non-vets wouldn't spit on us.

And today if you work for the Federal Government and served your country in the military you do not have veterans preference status. Meaning non-vets with bone spurs have the same status as veterans and before we had the all volunteer military the veterans had a higher status than non-vets. Meaning during all the military cutbacks after the Viet Nam war you could be bumped out of your job by non-vets.

So "Thank you for your service" coming from non-vets gives me heart burn.
Military Veterans "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers"