Berger hybrids.

[jelenko]

2022 Bad Finger thanks.

Or, prescient.

 

[No i deer]

That's a much better date lol..!!

 

[ljmontano]

I heard that some 180’s may be released very soon

 

[Ryan M.]

I talked to Berger and got the same answer. August or September timeframe for 180 hybrids. Pretty ridiculous in my opinion. They haven’t been made since June of 2021.

Seems to me they spend a lot of their time making hunting bullets, but the company was started making competition bullets, doesn’t make sense to me to make the bullet 90% of F-Open shooters use once a year. I think they should focus on supplying competitors, but that’s just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions…

Now that they are only making them once a year it makes F-Open a money game of who can purchase the most bullets at once. Cause right now those big quantity guys are competing with guys that are out of bullets and are automatically at a disadvantage because they are using an inferior bullet.

 

[Downeast]

Until this mess is settled Bergers should be banned from all state and national competitions. Now tell me would that not be a hilarious match to watch with guys out there banging away with whatever bullet they found in find in their sock drawers. Hornady, Barnes, Nosler's, even Speer. Ha! What fun that would be.

 

[Fuj]

Until this mess is settled Bergers should be banned from all state and national competitions. Now tell me would that not be a hilarious match to watch with guys out there banging away with whatever bullet they found in find in their sock drawers. Hornady, Barnes, Nosler's, even Speer. Ha! What fun that would be.

Everybody would swing back to the Sierra SMK's !! But wait ??
Sierra was just recently cleaned out of all stocks of 180 class
bullets. My favorite 183's are history for the time being.....

Here's a tip.....Bruno's just received a quantity of Hornady 190gr A-Tips.
I bought 100 just to test. Price was lower then expected. You would be
surprised that the twist rate needed is less then a 180 Berger VLD. Has some
thing to do about that .200" long tip. I ran the numbers thru JBM.....

 

[Ryan M.]

Everybody would swing back to the Sierra SMK's !! But wait ??
Sierra was just recently cleaned out of all stocks of 180 class
bullets. My favorite 183's are history for the time being.....

Here's a tip.....Bruno's just received a quantity of Hornady 190gr A-Tips.
I bought 100 just to test. Price was lower then expected. You would be
surprised that the twist rate needed is less then a 180 Berger VLD. Has some
thing to do about that .200" long tip. I ran the numbers thru JBM.....

8.5 twist stabilize?

 

[F-CLassInfo]

Until this mess is settled Bergers should be banned from all state and national competitions. Now tell me would that not be a hilarious match to watch with guys out there banging away with whatever bullet they found in find in their sock drawers. Hornady, Barnes, Nosler's, even Speer. Ha! What fun that would be.

This is a good idea but would be hard to do. It would be tough to know they weren’t shooting a berger

 

[Fuj]

8.5 twist stabilize?

I just ran them for 2750 fps on JBM = 1.742 for an 8.5 twister
which I use. You have to make sure you plug in the .200" tip
length. If you don't, the number gets knocked down to 1.359
which is still good.....Checking a 9.5 twist give's 1.403. and good
if your looking to help with torque. Anything over 2750 FPS is
gravy !! Could even get to just needing a 10 twister ??

Hornady 190gr A-Tip / 1.66" long / .200 tip length. I believe
Robin Ardoin was using these in his 7mm Sherman / F-Class
master class. Not sure what twist rate he is running or speeds.

 

[No i deer]

R

I just ran them for 2750 fps on JBM = 1.742 for an 8.5 twister
which I use. You have to make sure you plug in the .200" tip
length. If you don't, the number gets knocked down to 1.359
which is still good.....Checking a 9.5 twist give's 1.403. and good
if your looking to help with torque. Anything over 2750 FPS is
gravy !! Could even get to just needing a 10 twister ??

Hornady 190gr A-Tip / 1.66" long / .200 tip length. I believe
Robin Ardoin was using these in his 7mm Sherman / F-Class
master class. Not sure what twist rate he is running or speeds.

Robin ran his Atips at 2750 ish in a 1 in 8.25 twist..
I tried then in my 1 in 9 twist 7mm 270 and they shot like a laser at 100yds at 3000fps..
At 1000yds outwards like a shotgun..
My 1 in 8.25 saum stabilising fine at 1000yds at 100fps slower..

 

[SKWERLZ]

R

Robin ran his Atips at 2750 ish in a 1 in 8.25 twist..
I tried then in my 1 in 9 twist 7mm 270 and they shot like a laser at 100yds at 3000fps..
At 1000yds outwards like a shotgun..
My 1 in 8.25 saum stabilising fine at 1000yds at 100fps slower..

I was shooting them at 2000 yards and beyond and with the same ES vertical dispersion was noticeably worse than the Berger’s and a few a tips disappeared mid flight.
Shooting them in a 1-8 7 saum at 2950 fps.

 

[Bad Mojo]

Until this mess is settled Bergers should be banned from all state and national competitions. Now tell me would that not be a hilarious match to watch with guys out there banging away with whatever bullet they found in find in their sock drawers. Hornady, Barnes, Nosler's, even Speer. Ha! What fun that would be.

That's kind of dumb. That's punishing them for working their butts off and still not keeping up with the demand. Supply chains are absolutely taxed on every product in every segment. That's like punishing gun owners in Peoria because of gun laws in Chicago.

Yeah, I'm trying build a 7mm program just like everyone else. I can't get anything either. I'm not going to trash talk the company for their business decisions. If they can't get jackets or cores, they don't need punished for it - it's punishing enough. As soon as everyone's focus jumps to Sierra or Nosler or Barnes, then supply/demand issues will wipe them out as well. Berger clearly makes a product that shooters find superior. I'm sure they'll attempt to make every business decision that helps them sell more product profitably.

 

[Downeast]

I guess that was kind of dumb. Sort of like talking trash about the President and the present administration who are working their butts off to keep the supply chains open and fighting global warming and Putin while still not keeping up with the demand for baby formula and gasoline. It's not Bidens fault nor Berger's.

Yes, this is satire, a bit crude satire, but due to the high prices and high demand it is all I have.

 

[SKWERLZ]

It’s not like every other bullet manufacturer has tons of stock on the shelves!

This Berger hate is comical and the same thing happened during the Obama rush on components.

This time we had riots and a plandemic to really get the ball rolling.

 

[F-CLassInfo]

That's kind of dumb. That's punishing them for working their butts off and still not keeping up with the demand. Supply chains are absolutely taxed on every product in every segment. That's like punishing gun owners in Peoria because of gun laws in Chicago.

Yeah, I'm trying build a 7mm program just like everyone else. I can't get anything either. I'm not going to trash talk the company for their business decisions. If they can't get jackets or cores, they don't need punished for it - it's punishing enough. As soon as everyone's focus jumps to Sierra or Nosler or Barnes, then supply/demand issues will wipe them out as well. Berger clearly makes a product that shooters find superior. I'm sure they'll attempt to make every business decision that helps them sell more product profitably.

It appears you missed his humor.

 

[No i deer]

Shooters are being deprived of their favorite and probaly the best lead core bullets on the planet..
Disappointed that they can't buy any..!!
That says alot for bergers.!!

 

[762 ULTRAMAGA]

We're seeing what happens when our globalist political class kills domestic manufacturing of nearly all our critical materials.
The chickens are coming home to roost, and it's going to get much worse before it gets better

 

[Bad Mojo]

It appears you missed his humor.

If that was humor, I would agree that I missed it.

 

[No i deer]

Yesterday at a f class club shoot most are worrying that they'll run out of the favorite freedom seeds..!!
The Team GB shooters will have too put quite a few hundred away for the world championships

 

[No i deer]

Can you use turned solids in the f class comps in the US