Benchrest stock makers

[Mulligan]

Finishes @ .900 at 23 “, it’s a modified Palma contour I have Kreiger make for me specifically to use with a tuner. You can play with the length depending on what you want to end up with.
We’ve been using them with Ezell’s tuner for a few years now and those of us using them believe they are every bit as accurate as a conventional LV profile. I personally use the same barrels for HV just add 3 lbs of weight in the ass end.
G

Is this the #20 or something different?
CW

 

[Kyle Schultz]

Go with the valdada 36 or 40. Why would you need a cant device? You have a bag level for that

I'm assuming this comment is meant for me.

I like the anti-cant because it's a quick way for me to assure myself that the buttstock is sitting square in the rear bag. I run my rear bag pretty soft and depending how I manipulate the stock, I can rotate it as I wish. I believe the rifle recoils straighter and more consistently if it starts out square in the bag to begin with.

It's a holdover from my F-Class days and for me, at only 0.7 oz, is worth the peace of mind.

 

[J.J. Coe]

Not sure you can even hit that number with an all-wood stock.

Making 10.5# can be done but you have to be very precise with your component selections. Good luck.

Sure can! The number on the scale is right before buff and glue in. The gray stock was 23oz before glue in.

 

[USMCDOC]

i bet that this guy could get you were you want to be if he wanted to.. at a reasonable price.. he makes a copy of Terry's stock..

JohnW...ski

forum.accurateshooter.com

 

[wboggs]

Seems BR is a non money making venue. F class, PRS & Hunting is where it's gone.
I heard only 25 + - kelbys were ordered last year for BR.

I have a friend who runs a large well known range and he told me PRS has more than all others combined. He doesn't even hold F-class anymore. Too bad but that is where the money is and it is a younger man's game.

 

[Bc'z]

Sure can! The number on the scale is right before buff and glue in. The gray stock was 23oz before glue in.View attachment 1435934View attachment 1435935View attachment 1435936

Nice work bud!!
You realize when your done fabricating race cars you can always build stocks.
You should post more pictures of your work, I for one would love to see more of it.
Brett

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

No need to ditch your tuner Mike, just use the right profile barrel!
23” finish length, shoot just like std LV profile (or better) seem to tune easier.
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I like it and I agree. I've got a similar contour with ABC. It's close to a std LV contour. Finishes at .900@24".
I do think they show tune a little more clearly and shoot equally well to other contours.

 

[J.J. Coe]

Nice work bud!!
You realize when your done fabricating race cars you can always build stocks.
You should post more pictures of your work, I for one would love to see more of it.
Brett

Thanks Brett! I'll try to post some work pics in the future.

 

[Greg@wfcustom]

Is this the #20 or something different?
CW

I'm not sure what a #20 is, but this is just a profile I came up with to try with Mike's tuner (Ezell PDF for those not familiar) and it gives me a lot of freedom for adjusting length/weight depending on where and from which end I hack it off from. (By the way, hacking it off is a technical machinists term.)
It is 1.200 straight for 3.50" has a 2.50" neck tapering to 1.00" and then tapers to .900 at 24"
At that length with everything off the muzzle, it weighs in at @ 74 ounces, so with tuner @ 81.
There are probably similar profiles out there, Krieger calls it a Palma on the invoice, but to those specs.
Hope that helps,
G

 

[Tim Singleton]

I'm not sure what a #20 is, but this is just a profile I came up with to try with Mike's tuner (Ezell PDF for those not familiar) and it gives me a lot of freedom for adjusting length/weight depending on where and from which end I hack it off from. (By the way, hacking it off is a technical machinists term.)
It is 1.200 straight for 3.50" has a 2.50" neck tapering to 1.00" and then tapers to .900 at 24"
At that length with everything off the muzzle, it weighs in at @ 74 ounces, so with tuner @ 81.
There are probably similar profiles out there, Krieger calls it a Palma on the invoice, but to those specs.
Hope that helps,
G

Would a profile like this be legal in a NBRSA varmint rifle

 

[Alex Wheeler]

About 5 years ago Id guess we did something similar with the contour. I had an idea to make a tuner you could slide the full length of the barrel, lock it there and adjust it at that point. Just to see what it would do. So I ordered a modified palma. After the neck it stayed .9" the whole way. No taper. Anyhow I ended up putting that barrel on Tom Mousels Borden gun and he used to to help develop Roy's 103. So if you go through that thread you can see a lot of groups shot with it. It shot so well Tom stayed that contour up until this year, as well as a 1" version. Lots of records have been shot that way. If it gave up anything to a heavy varmint, I could not see it. That was kind of my thought as well, if guys are struggling that bad to find really light stocks I would try a contour like Greg's without hesitation.

 

[Tim Singleton]

About 5 years ago Id guess we did something similar with the contour. I had an idea to make a tuner you could slide the full length of the barrel, lock it there and adjust it at that point. Just to see what it would do. So I ordered a modified palma. After the neck it stayed .9" the whole way. No taper. Anyhow I ended up putting that barrel on Tom Mousels Borden gun and he used to to help develop Roy's 103. So if you go through that thread you can see a lot of groups shot with it. It shot so well Tom stayed that contour up until this year, as well as a 1" version. Lots of records have been shot that way. If it gave up anything to a heavy varmint, I could not see it. That was kind of my thought as well, if guys are struggling that bad to find really light stocks I would try a contour like Greg's without hesitation.

I have thought of some type of modified Palma profile. I just wasn’t sure it was legal for SR BR
maybe someone that knows more than me will chime in @Dusty Stevens

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I believe that diagram is the maximum barrel size. But I could be wrong.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I have thought of some type of modified Palma profile. I just wasn’t sure it was legal for SR BR
maybe someone that knows more than me will chime in @Dusty Stevens

Shouldn't be a problem. The diagram is a max hv contour. Anything smaller or equal, everywhere, is legal.

 

[Tim Singleton]

I believe that diagram is the maximum barrel size. But I could be wrong.

I think so too on max diameter
But the part about MUST taper from 5" in front of bolt face to .900
Looks like a straight taper is what the diagram shows a palma-type contour is not a straight taper

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I think so too on max diameter
But the part about MUST taper from 5" in front of bolt face to .900
Looks like a straight taper is what the diagram shows a palma-type contour is not a straight taper

I don't know. Taper is defined as a gradual diminishing. I'd say his qualifies but that's just me.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I think so too on max diameter
But the part about MUST taper from 5" in front of bolt face to .900
Looks like a straight taper is what the diagram shows a palma-type contour is not a straight taper

The diagram does show that, but it does not say straight taper in the wording. I think the assumption is that everyone would use a straight taper. Best to reach out to NBRSA to get a clarification.

 

[afrench]

I have thought of some type of modified Palma profile. I just wasn’t sure it was legal for SR BR
maybe someone that knows more than me will chime in @Dusty Stevens

TIm, here is actual text of the rule in the body of the rulebook that is meant to accompany the diagram. As I read it, those are the maximum dimensions, 'shall not be greater than X'.

2.3. Heavy Varmint Rifle: A Heavy Varmint Rifle is any rifle having a safe manually operated firing
mechanism that weighs no more than thirteen and one half pounds, inclusive of sights. Any sight
will be permitted. The stock should have a flat or convex forearm not more than 3 inches wide and
having a toe formed by an acute angle that conforms to the varmint rifle diagram on page 99. The
barrel shall not be less than 18” long forward of the bolt face and a diameter of not more than
1.250 inches from the bolt face forward 5 inches. From said 5-inch point, the diameter shall not be
greater than would be defined by a straight taper between such point and a muzzle diameter of
.900 at 29 inches. The barrel may be attached to the receiver, bedding blocks or sleeve or
combination thereof for a distance of no more than 4”, measured from the face 5 of the bolt. The
overall length of the receiver, bedding block or sleeve or the combination must not exceed 14”.
(Maximum dimensions shall not include normal scope blocks or sight bases). A metal skeleton
frame that serves as a stock and has a fore end that may or may not attach to the barrel and meets
all other requirements of a Heavy Varmint rifle is permissible (i.e. Beggs Stick Gun). Any “Savage
Type” barrel nut shall be considered as part of the action and therefore shall be legal in all NBRSA
Classes.
2.4. Light Varmint Rifle: Any rifle of not more than 10 1⁄2 lbs in weight, inclusive of sights, and
otherwise meeting the requirement of the Heavy Varmint Rifle.
Rules: Revision #45 Jan 2023
By-Laws: Revision #42 Jan 2023 Page 2 of 68

 

[Tim Singleton]

TIm, here is actual text of the rule in the body of the rulebook that is meant to accompany the diagram. As I read it, those are the maximum dimensions, 'shall not be greater than X'.

2.3. Heavy Varmint Rifle: A Heavy Varmint Rifle is any rifle having a safe manually operated firing
mechanism that weighs no more than thirteen and one half pounds, inclusive of sights. Any sight
will be permitted. The stock should have a flat or convex forearm not more than 3 inches wide and
having a toe formed by an acute angle that conforms to the varmint rifle diagram on page 99. The
barrel shall not be less than 18” long forward of the bolt face and a diameter of not more than
1.250 inches from the bolt face forward 5 inches. From said 5-inch point, the diameter shall not be
greater than would be defined by a straight taper between such point and a muzzle diameter of
.900 at 29 inches. The barrel may be attached to the receiver, bedding blocks or sleeve or
combination thereof for a distance of no more than 4”, measured from the face 5 of the bolt. The
overall length of the receiver, bedding block or sleeve or the combination must not exceed 14”.
(Maximum dimensions shall not include normal scope blocks or sight bases). A metal skeleton
frame that serves as a stock and has a fore end that may or may not attach to the barrel and meets
all other requirements of a Heavy Varmint rifle is permissible (i.e. Beggs Stick Gun). Any “Savage
Type” barrel nut shall be considered as part of the action and therefore shall be legal in all NBRSA
Classes.
2.4. Light Varmint Rifle: Any rifle of not more than 10 1⁄2 lbs in weight, inclusive of sights, and
otherwise meeting the requirement of the Heavy Varmint Rifle.
Rules: Revision #45 Jan 2023
By-Laws: Revision #42 Jan 2023 Page 2 of 68

Thank you
I was pretty sure the straight taper wording was there but didn't have anything but the diagram saved