Do you have a recommendation for a higher voltage battery, then, that I can purchase and install instead of the CR123s? I do realize that this will void any warranty.
Barrel Cool Review
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Do you have a recommendation for a higher voltage battery, then, that I can purchase and install instead of the CR123s? I do realize that this will void any warranty.
My "Barrel Cool" has some serious drawbacks.
It doesn't fit in most of my ejection ports.
The batteries are expensive and for the run time makes cooling a barrel cost $1 each use.
It is prone to stop if any tiny debris gets into the fan intake port.
I am always willing to support new products.
Long before the "Barrel Cool", I was using a "Bug Vac" to pull air through the barrel. I still use the "Barrel Cool", it goes with me to every range session. I use the rechargeable bug vac more.
Recently someone came out with a completely different design. Different in every way except the new one fits a chamber. It addresses the 3 issues I have mentioned above.
Unfortunately the "Barrel Cool" gang made threats to the new guy. Even though the new guy will not be making it "production". Is this a case of stiffing innovation. It takes the idea and improves it. No patent violaton.
It doesn't fit in most of my ejection ports.
The batteries are expensive and for the run time makes cooling a barrel cost $1 each use.
It is prone to stop if any tiny debris gets into the fan intake port.
I am always willing to support new products.
Long before the "Barrel Cool", I was using a "Bug Vac" to pull air through the barrel. I still use the "Barrel Cool", it goes with me to every range session. I use the rechargeable bug vac more.
Recently someone came out with a completely different design. Different in every way except the new one fits a chamber. It addresses the 3 issues I have mentioned above.
Unfortunately the "Barrel Cool" gang made threats to the new guy. Even though the new guy will not be making it "production". Is this a case of stiffing innovation. It takes the idea and improves it. No patent violaton.
If you need additional tubes so it fits in other ejection ports, you can contact me.
To cool a barrel at $1 per use to save barrel life on a $300+ dollar barrel with a $250+ dollar chamber job seems worth it
Many people have already commented to me via email and in person that they are already starting to see increased barrel life when using BarrelCool.Yes, it can stop if there is debris, which is why we tried to keep the fan more towards the ejection port to minimize this.
Recently someone came out with a completely different design. Different in every way except the new one fits a chamber. It addresses the 3 issues I have mentioned above.
Unfortunately the "Barrel Cool" gang made threats to the new guy. Even though the new guy will not be making it "production". Is this a case of stiffing innovation. It takes the idea and improves it. No patent violaton.
I am not sure where you are getting that it is different in every way...
1) It is designed to be a chamber flag and barrel cooling device in one, which did not exist at all prior to BarrelCool.
2) It is designed to fit in AR and bolt action rifles by design, which also did not exist prior to BarrelCool.
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A question for the barrel cool device users. Do you have condensation on hot humid days? Would a small tank of nitrogen gas, with a regulator, and a hose into the chamber. Short blast of -300 degree gas that is dry and disopates moisture.would it not make more sense. I have seen barrels ruined by moisture droplets that do not compress when a bullet runs over them.
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Nat Lambeth
Thank you. That's want I wanted, confirmation that you threatened another shooting enthusiast.If you need additional tubes so it fits in other ejection ports, you can contact me.
To cool a barrel at $1 per use to save barrel life on a $300+ dollar barrel with a $250+ dollar chamber job seems worth it
Yes, it can stop if there is debris, which is why we tried to keep the fan more towards the ejection port to minimize this.
I am not sure where you are getting that it is different in every way...
1) It is designed to be a chamber flag and barrel cooling device in one, which did not exist at all prior to BarrelCool.
2) It is designed to fit in AR and bolt action rifles by design, which also did not exist prior to BarrelCool.
I was using the "bug vac" long before you thought of your "Barrel Cool".
Others have used various forms of chamber based cooling systems. All you get credit for is pushing air instead of pulling.
I won't be contacting you for "other tubes". It still won't fit. It's your fan location that prevents it from fitting into the ejection port. The $1 per use is per firing string, not per day. A set of batteries lasts one day. I shoot about 150 days a year or more. That means I would be spending up to $1,500 per years on batteries to use your product. I use IR thermal sensors to measure my barrel temperatures so don't try to go the route of "you are over cooling".
Something you won't care about. I bought your product as soon as it was announced. I am one of your early adopters. I support shooting sports innovators. However, when you stifle someone who attempts to improve on what you did I no longer support you.
There is no danger of condensation with a barrelcool, as the ambient air is warmed as it passes through the barrel. For condensation to occur, the dew point of the ambient air would have to be above the surface temperature of the hot barrel; a physical impossibility.
I'm no metallurgist, but I can't imagine shock-cooling part of a hot rifle barrel is good for it.
falconpilot
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jfseaman,
If you spend that much a year shooting, maybe you could contribute to this site while you are here trying to attack Bryan because people here aren't interested in buying a product/ideal that your buddy ripped off from Bryan..
If you spend that much a year shooting, maybe you could contribute to this site while you are here trying to attack Bryan because people here aren't interested in buying a product/ideal that your buddy ripped off from Bryan..
I use a Coghlans Air pump with a clear hose from HD, fits perfect and seals in the action blows really hard. I run it between relays for 25 min. dry as a bone, no condensation issues.... $6 bucks free S/H
When they stop running I buy a new one.
That is one of the "Barrel Cool"s problems, it does not move enough air, with that, it does not seal to the chamber.
Regarding compressed nitrogen: I'm a little uncertain of the metallurgical effects of going from +300 chamber/neck temperatures to -300. I do know that bringing the air in the barrel to below "dew point" will cause condensation inside the barrel.
Before the "Barrel Cool", I had used and looked at several techniques, including compressed gases, air, co2, nitrogen. The challenge is to not over cool the air to below "dew point". As the compressed gas expands it cools, so much so that you can flash freeze with just compressed air. The trick is to seal to the chamber and keep the bore of the barrel temperature above "dew point". Sealing will prevent "wet" ambient air out of the barrel. Carefully expanding the compressed gas will reduce risk of over cooling.
I have co2 tanks with regulators that will let me control the air flow very closely. However, the tank when full is 35lb, the regulator and hoses are in the way at the range and it's more stuff to carry. The "bug vac", "Barrel Cool" and the other one that the "Barrel Cool" guys just stifled, fit in a range bag. My current "bug vac" is rechargeable with standard phone USB, battery lasts all day.
Compressed air cans like "Dust Off" can work and it will fit a range bag but the blast is still fast and cold.
IMO: high volume ambient are is probably best. The heating effect of pushing the air is probably better than my "bug vac" pulling the air.
One thing to add: What ever you use to cool the barrel, you will need to reproduce the conditions at your match or hunting situation. For hunting load testing, for me, that means reducing the temperature to ambient between shots or 3 shot strings. For match that means keeping the barrel within a temperature range that the gun shoots well at.
Falconpilot,
1) The other guy is not my buddy any more than Bryan is.
2) I am not attacking Bryan I am retaliating. There is a huge difference. Bryan admitted to threatening the other guy in public. I don't do business with that sort of people.
3) Yes I spend that much time shooting. Minimum 3 days per week. 3days + 52weeks = 156 days.
4) Your saying I don't contribute does not mean it is a fact.
What is your relationship to Bryan?
That's one I didn't think of. Small enough to fit in a range bag. Moves plenty of air. Easy to hook up to something that fits the chamber.
One could even make an adapter for bore guides Hose on, cool the barrel, hose off, use bore guide normally. Clean or what ever you do between relays.
I'll buy that. Need a new one for my air matresses anyway....
falconpilot
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jfseman
You've been here since 2012...When I see "site Contributor" next to your name, then its a fact..till then, my assessment stands.. I don't know Bryan personally, just use his product. If Bryan threatened the guy in public, I missed that fact...I'd assume it was more of his protecting his patent/ideal..I'm sure he did not threaten the guy with harm. I tend to side with Bryan on this matter because I've been in his shoe's..spend years and thousands of dollars to develop a unique ideal and product, bring it to market, then watch as someone who is incapable of an ideal of their own make a 10% change to it and sell it as theirs..I've seen it hundreds of times, and like you, I will NEVER support a man or company that does such.
You've been here since 2012...When I see "site Contributor" next to your name, then its a fact..till then, my assessment stands.. I don't know Bryan personally, just use his product. If Bryan threatened the guy in public, I missed that fact...I'd assume it was more of his protecting his patent/ideal..I'm sure he did not threaten the guy with harm. I tend to side with Bryan on this matter because I've been in his shoe's..spend years and thousands of dollars to develop a unique ideal and product, bring it to market, then watch as someone who is incapable of an ideal of their own make a 10% change to it and sell it as theirs..I've seen it hundreds of times, and like you, I will NEVER support a man or company that does such.
Oh, you meant financial contributor. So you are passing judgement on those who have not yet ponied up the cash, all of us. Does this you "better" than then rest of us. You certainly live up to your signature "shoot small", incapable of seeing the big picture. Yes this is not even a veiled insult. Unlike your veiled insult about "contributor".
You missed the threat. Not my problem. The other thread is gone. Per conversations with the maker, the other device was never intended to be commercial. Just his idea of a better mouse trap. Protecting "patents" and "ideas" has it's place. Threats to non-commercial, is not it's place. If they have not patented it then there is no justification for the threats. Compete with a better product not with a lawyer.
BTW: I prefer "aim small, miss small". As in see the big picture, aim at the goal.
falconpilot
Gold $$ Contributor
I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just value this site and as a contributing member, think if you use, enjoy or antagonize from this site, think a person should contribute.. As for the rest of what you said..sounds like Bryan's device at work to me......"Quit worrying about the little things" right
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I made a post here at AccurateShooter that the maker and his friend came and attacked me about. I deleted that thread because it seemed like they were looking for a fight, and I wanted to keep it civil. I then messaged him privately offering to discuss his concerns, but his response indicated an unwillingness to talk about the matter, but that I would be hearing from them soon. In spite of my offer, he then visited my website and YouTube page, leaving derogatory comments on both. This is not the level of professionalism I would expect from him, or his brand.
By his own remarks he's made it sound like only his BarrelCool device is allowed to be the color yellow, or fit into AR style rifles. It's ridiculous to say that another product can't be painted the color yellow. There have been lots of coolers that fit into bolt action or AR-style rifles, such as this one that existed before his, which has a logo design that appear very similar.
I made Chamber Chiller prototypes of a barrel cooling device that uses AA or AAA batteries, makes much less noise, and pushes much more air. All it takes is a simple comparison:
FWIW compressed N2 out of gas cylinder will NEVER get anywhere close to -300 F. You are confusing it with Liquid N2. You must have watched the episode of Orange County Choppers where they tried to remove a gear off a shaft using a cylinder of N2 gas.....even with the magic of film editing they were unsuccessful.
Liquid N2 is available , it comes is large super insulated tanks called dewars, pretty expensive, and it flashes off (vaporizes) pretty quickly.
My original barrel cooler design was also shared with a friend back in March 2015, when we spent a day toying with pieces in a machine shop.
Please don't miss the point. That is cooling the barrel too fast, too low will have the opposite effect if what is desired.
If N2 gas comes out of the cylinder with a regulator at +60° that would be great. I have only used N2 in racing tires. Costco used it in my tires purchased there to prevent oxidation. I think that works because my tires last a long time.
This gives me an idea for my "bug vac" and "modified" cases we all have. PM me if you want more info. I don't way @bsumoba threatening me with lawyers. That would be the end of his business.
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