Barnard V Block opinions?

[TrxR]

What is everyones opinion on the Barnard V block used with a Barnard S Action? How does it compare to conventional Remington style recoil lug and pillar bedding? Seriously considering building a .223 for F/TR with this action.

Thanks

 

[ukshooter]

Nothing wrong with Barnard v block system,but it's just extra weight.
If your building a F/TR rig ,the saving could get a better scope or bipod.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

If you will be (or are planning to be) swapping barreled (Barnard) actions, it's awesome. I don't know that it's any more or less useful for accuracy than recoil lug and pillar job. I've been considering an F/TR rig and a Barnard action and V-block are at the top of my list. I've got two Barnard actions that I swap with a V-block on my Open rifles right now.

I will say that if you are planning to do the work yourself, that it takes a bit more work installing it to ensure that you have the V-block perfectly in line with the barrel channel and at the correct height. At least, it did for me.

 

[peter6mm]

I have a Robertson GB F-class stock, fitted with the Barnard V-block. Work done by Robertson Composites before they closed. It's the best money I spent.

I have two Barnard actions, (one with 6br barrel and the other 6.5 X 55). Dead easy to swop the barrelled actions in and out of the one stock.

 

[dblinden]

I really like mine.

Anybody care to share their torque settings for the Barnard and V-block?

Thanks - Dennis L

 

[Jay Christopherson]

I torque my action to the block at 57 in. lbs.

 

[FroggyOne2]

For a conventional stock, using the V block in the stock is the way to go. That way you can have one beautiful stock made and have it fit you. Then just swap bbl'd actions as needed.

 

[dblinden]

jaychris -

Thanks for the feedback on torque settings. I was hoping someone would chime in on this.

Dennis L

 

[Jim See]

really depends on how picky you are as far as having your gun level rt to left compared to the fore-end.
The problems I encountered with the v-block was multiple;
first the recoil "lug screw" that fits into the v-block is not concentric to the thread tennon portion of the screw so as you turn it in it osolates around it's axis. This can cause a little can't in your action level to stock level if one either beds it in with this screw not tourqued down tight, or if switching from one action to another based on where the screw direction tweaks between the two actions.

One that I bedded was so bad that the action bolts wouldn't screw into the action when the v-block action were seated together, because this recoil screw was so far out of whack. The action screws would bind in the block holes. That particular gun was rebedded conventionally with the Barnard screw in recoil block, which is more similar to the bat recoil block. It was the only way to level the action to the forend rotationally.

The other one was off as well just not as severe, This seemed to be more of a problem with the way the recoil screw is machined than how the action is machined by the manufacturer.

 

[peter6mm]

As I understand the previous post, care and attention is needed when installing the Barnard V-block, pillar bedding the block and action and machining and fitting the recoil spigot. If the spigot is machined excentric then it is possible there could be a difference in fit from one action to another which could off-set one action compared to another. To me this is just precision engineering (machine it concentric).

I can say from my own experience that mine, done as I say by Robertsons before they closed, is excellent - no problems at all. The barrelled actions were provided and machined here in the UK by Norman Clark, A leading UK gunsmith (see page 96 of Precision Shooting @ 100 yds by Dave Brennan).

Am I picky? You bet I am, and really the point I would like to make is the Barnard V-Block system is excellent, so long as it and the recoil spigot is fitted properly; which really should not be hard to do.

 

[peter6mm]

:-[should of course been "ee page 96 of Precision Shooting @ 1000 yds by Dave Brennan).

 

[Jim See]

As I understand the previous post, care and attention is needed when installing the Barnard V-block, pillar bedding the block and action and machining and fitting the recoil spigot. If the spigot is machined excentric then it is possible there could be a difference in fit from one action to another which could off-set one action compared to another. To me this is just precision engineering (machine it concentric).

I can say from my own experience that mine, done as I say by Robertsons before they closed, is excellent - no problems at all. The barrelled actions were provided and machined here in the UK by Norman Clark, A leading UK gunsmith (see page 96 of Precision Shooting @ 100 yds by Dave Brennan).

Am I picky? You bet I am, and really the point I would like to make is the Barnard V-Block system is excellent, so long as it and the recoil spigot is fitted properly; which really should not be hard to do.

The recoil spigot is machined by MT guns, so what you get from them is what you have to work with. If they are going to provide a product I would hope all were produced as well as yours but unfortunatly they are not.

So tell me did you take out your rifle and lay a level on the 3" flat fore-end and a level on the scope rail and make sure you have zero rotational misalignment between the two?

 

[Jonathan Zimmerman]

"The recoil spigot is machined by MT guns, so what you get from them is what you have to work with. If they are going to provide a product I would hope all were produced as well as yours but unfortunatly they are not.
So tell me did you take out your rifle and lay a level on the 3" flat fore-end and a level on the scope rail and make sure you have zero rotational misalignment between the two?"
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My dog is not in this fight, but there are few points I want to make.
1. I can say for a fact that the two I received from MT Guns were both done very well, and both rifles shoot great.
2. There are a lot of v-block bedded rifles winning matches.
3. After acknowledging that the socket head cap screw was not machined concentric, why would you not make a new one first before bedding the v-block in a stock? That seems counterproductive.

 

[Sray53TXTN]

Here's my second switch barrel Barnard P action Vee block F-open option from MT in a 6 dasher. Have a 284 and 6 Dasher now.
Just got the new barrel from SABRECO yesterday and out for load tests this weekend.

 

[DaveWhite]

you might consider Al Warner's recoil block for the Barnard. As he explained it to me, this is just about the most surface area you can build into the lug (it is essentially a rectangular block permanently bolted to the bottom of the action).

Seems to work.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Might be so, but it is kinda proprietory to one action is it not. Kind hard to bed a action with that and then switch actions with the same stock.

 

[Jim See]

3. After acknowledging that the socket head cap screw was not machined concentric, why would you not make a new one first before bedding the v-block in a stock? That seems counterproductive.
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Johnathan, the fact is it was the first one I had done and the instructions were followed as stated it was an after the fact moment that I caught the problem with the spigot. I corrected it with the bolt on block. If I was indeed one of the blessed by God I may have triple checked every facet of the action, block and spigot, being a constant critic of anything that a highly reputable company produces, simply accepting the fact the the most simple machining procedure could be f-ked up on a regular basis is a little beyond my earthly thinking.