Bad flyer

[Ranger188]

Shooting Lapua ammo.
Not wind or setup issues.
If your getting 4 shots into one hole and once in awhile you get a bad flyer,
is this not a good lot of ammo or possible something else?

 

[jpx2rk]

How do you "know" the flyer is not wind or setup?

 

[jelenko]

How do you "know" the flyer is not wind or setup?

Or something the shooter is doing?

 

[Straightshooter1]

Shooting Lapua ammo.
Not wind or setup issues.
If your getting 4 shots into one hole and once in awhile you get a bad flyer,
is this not a good lot of ammo or possible something else?

In my case. . . most often, it's the nut behind the trigger.

Otherwise, it could be any number of things.

 

[Krogen]

Shooting 22LR at 200 meters has pointed out a number of ammo deficiencies. A lot of high and low shots can be correlated to muzzle velocity variations. It doesn't take much variation at the muzzle to fling a round high or low. I can see that my reticle stays rock solid on the target, so my letoff is good. Yet the dang bullet may fly elsewhere. Good optics means I can >see< the bullet as it flies to the destination. Left/right, it's likely the wind. Up/down, it's either velocity or a headwind/tailwind. Having a chronograph on the line sorts out the reason for high or low flyers.

Being human, sometimes it is the "loose stock nut." Fortunately, I can see the reticle jump which makes all of the above, moot.

 

[Ranger188]

Thanks, I'll start running my Athlon more and maybe it will explain
a variation in velocity or just me.

 

[MG427]

It's wind condition, your lucky to get 3-4 shoots off under the same condition. By the time you get to the 5th shot, 99.9% chance wind condition has changed enough to throw shot out of the original group.

 

[houligan]

Funny though, how it's always the fifth shot! I know, I've suffered from "fifth shot itis" many times.

 

[grauhanen]

Flyers can be unrelated to wind or MV variation. One cause is nicks or imperfections on the critical bullet heel. Unfortunately these problems can't be identified as the heel is not visible. But they do show up on target as flyers which can be in any direction away from the group.

Below are "flyer" examples not caused by MV alone or by wind. These are ten shot groups at 100 yards.

On the image below, the ES of the ten shots was 1061.3 - 1075 fps. The "flyer" that hit high had a MV of 1073.3 fps.



The "flyer" below was only 7 fps slower than the next slowest round of the ten.

 

[tommeboy]

When shooting cast bullets in rifles, LUBE can cause all kinds of fliers. Not many people talk about it as not many people know anything about lube. Too much, too little. Wrong type or mix of ingredients. Lube can affect the velocity going high or low.

 

[1Merlin]

Ammo ever set in the sun or in a hot car for an extended period of time? Had a batch of CX I bought from another shooter that shot similarly. Check the torque settings on your action screws and see if they are loose.

 

[searcher]

Shooting 22LR at 200 meters has pointed out a number of ammo deficiencies. A lot of high and low shots can be correlated to muzzle velocity variations. It doesn't take much variation at the muzzle to fling a round high or low. I can see that my reticle stays rock solid on the target, so my letoff is good. Yet the dang bullet may fly elsewhere. Good optics means I can >see< the bullet as it flies to the destination. Left/right, it's likely the wind. Up/down, it's either velocity or a headwind/tailwind. Having a chronograph on the line sorts out the reason for high or low flyers.

Being human, sometimes it is the "loose stock nut." Fortunately, I can see the reticle jump which makes all of the above, moot.

Yes - I use a March scope set at 80X on my .22 LR target rifle. You can see the bullet get "pushed" all around on the journey to the target to the point you can make a mental note it will not impact well before it strikes. Unless shot indoors in a controlled environment - anything can happen - and it does.

 

[jpjulian]

If a mouse farts in the woods, a .22LR can get blown around....... just sayin'......

 

[Krogen]

Yes - I use a March scope set at 80X on my .22 LR target rifle. You can see the bullet get "pushed" all around on the journey to the target to the point you can make a mental note it will not impact well before it strikes. Unless shot indoors in a controlled environment - anything can happen - and it does.

Indeed! In fact, it's quite a distraction. As I see the bullet go astray, my mind starts to wonder why. What did I overlook in taking the shot? I'd like to think my fleeting analyses help with the next shot, but that's usually not the case. Just when I should be considering current conditions for the next shot, my wanders to a bullet already launched.

 

[Joe Silvia]

What about priming compound? Its consistency of composition, amount and uniformity of distribution in the rim?
Joe

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

From what I have seen overall length differences has a lot to do with those shots that go completely out from POA to POI.
I have seen where grouping OAL within 0.005 of each other removes those so call fliers. and it is not just my rifles but others as well.
some lots I seen where there is a 0.050 difference luckily the current Lapua lots have very few of those scattered among the boxes in a brick.

Lee

 

[tmwinds]

It’s my firm belief that manufacturers place at least one flyer in every box just to keep shooters humble.

 

[tommeboy]

Another thing no one does is tune up their firing pin and springs. Propper ignition is the #1 thing when it comes to rf accuracy

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

Another thing no one does is tune up their firing pin and springs. Propper ignition is the #1 thing when it comes to rf accuracy

Yes, consistent ignition is important, inconsistent ignition will in most case have low shots within say the group if shooting groups and be random and most times in line with the horizontal plane.

In the case of fliers being mentioned they are random in nature as well but can be low or high shots, which is not typically caused by poor ignition.

Lee

 

[ELR LVR]

Funny though, how it's always the fifth shot! I know, I've suffered from "fifth shot itis" many times.

What he said
if it's always the 5th shot that gets thrown?
simple deductive reasoning would conclude that would be unlikely to be due to environmental conditions.
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the short answer is, Spend more time behind the trigger