ATF proposes yearly reporting of gun powder

[MSS]

Mods. Can you edit post title because it is not accurate? No need to scare folks. Ty.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

They are not. It's a modification to a rule for those who are already licensed and store explosives. This is another viral not applicable BS story. Smokeless powder for small arms is exempted from the rule.

Is smokeless powder designed for use in small arms ammunition subject to the explosives storage requirements? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Smokeless powders designed for use in small arms ammunition are exempt from regulation under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 555. Packaging that readily identifies the smokeless powder as being designed for use in small arms ammunition may help in determining whether it...

www.atf.gov

I don't trust they won't change the bill at the last minute. My understanding when I was reading it was that everyone would be liable to file the form with the local Fire Dept. I'm going back to read it again.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Interesting. In the first posting, it states "any person" and is an addendum or amendment to an existing rule. The second posting shows the original ruling. Remember, the addendum or. amendment is to alter the original. I am suspicious of the ATF purpose.

Yes, the 2nd posting is not the bill I linked to. The bill I linked to clearly states "any person".

 

[WSnyder]

Yes, the 2nd posting is not the bill I linked to. The bill I linked to clearly states "any person".

"any person" as it pertains to that particular rule (27 CFR part 555). There is nothing in there that rescinds the ruling that small arms powders are exempt.

 

[Bill K]

Don't trust what ATF/DOJ or put into print on this one. Black Powder already has rules and regulations, from state including fire marshals that lists requirements on having and storing BP. So look out on what these departments start doing.

smokeless powder is classified as a Propellant the last time i checked. so, this would not apply.

Black Powder though would fall under it.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

"any person" as it pertains to that particular rule (27 CFR part 555). There is nothing in there that rescinds the ruling that small arms powders are exempt.

Maybe so, that is not clear to me. Not trying to be difficult, I just don't trust anything that is going on, we don't seem to have our 2A rights anymore and more and more we're threatened even more.

It seems the ATF is trying to change that exclusion you point out, just as they are frames and receivers and pistol braces.

The title of that bill clearly states:

"Annual Reporting of Explosive Materials Storage Facilities to the Local Fire Authority"

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

Here is the summary of the proposed rule change. I can see how this has been interpreted to be a broad rule change.

You know, I'm probably being paranoid as they continue making things vague to give the the flexibility to charge/regulate people at their discretion. I seriously hope you guys are correct and that I'm wrong.

I've long felt that they will eventually try to come for reloading components, heck they already charge hazmat for powder and primers...

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

smokeless powder is classified as a Propellant the last time i checked. so, this would not apply.

Black Powder though would fall under it.

I only use smokeless powder, although I wouldn't mind doing an anvil shoot...too bad it's not legal in most states...

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

The Constitutional Republic has been taken over by a group of oligarchs who have essentially bought all the representatives (the people who keep saying our government is a "democracy"), either through money, or blackmail, or a combination thereof. So, those people, no matter which one is elected, are already owned by these people before they ever get to Washington. Although they pretend to represent the people all the while. And the oligarchs took over very easily. All it took was a total stranglehold on the media and the internet.
They control the flow of information now.
Not the government.
They don't need the government. They own the government.
The people In the government protect the oligarchs from the people, instead of protecting the people from the oligarchs.

That is exactly why I don't trust them.

What confuses me is that if "Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition." are truly exempt, why are we required to pay hazmat on smokeless powder and primers?

 

[WSnyder]

Just because smokeless powder is exempt from explosive storage requirements at home or business doesn't mean it's not exempt from DOT hazmat transportation requirements.

Let's not compare apples to oranges.