ATF proposes yearly reporting of gun powder

[Konocti's Wigwam]

This is bad, the ATF is proposing that we report annually on the amount of gun powder we have at our homes.

Regulations.gov

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[WSnyder]

They are not. It's a modification to a rule for those who are already licensed and store explosives. This is another viral not applicable BS story. Smokeless powder for small arms is exempted from the rule.

Is smokeless powder designed for use in small arms ammunition subject to the explosives storage requirements? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Smokeless powders designed for use in small arms ammunition are exempt from regulation under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 555. Packaging that readily identifies the smokeless powder as being designed for use in small arms ammunition may help in determining whether it...

www.atf.gov

 

[mongo chicago]

Interesting. In the first posting, it states "any person" and is an addendum or amendment to an existing rule. The second posting shows the original ruling. Remember, the addendum or. amendment is to alter the original. I am suspicious of the ATF purpose.

 

[bsekf]

If you trust the BATF to use common sense and do something to help the common folk. I have this bridge for sale in Brooklyn, make an offer.

The establishment is only interested in control.

 

[Forum Boss]

Here is the summary of the proposed rule change. I can see how this has been interpreted to be a broad rule change. However, there is a reference to "industry" powder storage: "As a result of our consultations with explosives industry associations, ATF is proposing to amend the regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) to require annual reporting of explosive materials storage to local fire authorities."

Notice of proposed rulemaking.

Summary​

The Department of Justice is proposing to amend Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) regulations to require that any person who stores explosive materials notify on an annual basis the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored of the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such materials are stored. In addition, the proposed rule requires any person who stores explosive materials to notify the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials were stored whenever storage is discontinued. These changes are intended to increase public safety.

Here is the statement of the proposed change to the Federal Regulations:

I. Background​

Title XI of the Organized Crime Control Act of 1970, Public Law 91–452, 84 Stat. 922, added chapter 40 (Importation, Manufacture, Distribution and Storage of Explosive Materials) to title 18 of the United States Code. One purpose of title XI is to reduce the “hazard to persons and property arising from misuse and unsafe or insecure storage of explosive materials.” Public Law 91–452, sec. 1101, 84 Stat. at 952.

The Attorney General is responsible for implementing title XI. See 18 U.S.C. 847. The Attorney General has delegated that responsibility to the Director of the ATF, subject to the direction of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General. See 28 CFR 0.130. Regulations in 27 CFR part 555 implement title XI.

On August 24, 1998, ATF published in the Federal Register a final rule to implement a storage notification requirement for manufacturers and other storers of explosives. Notice No. 841, 63 FR 44999. ATF amended the regulations in 27 CFR part 55 (now part 555)  (1) to require that any person who starts storing explosive materials notify the authority having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored of the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such explosives are stored. The 1998 final rule was issued in response to the numerous deaths and injuries sustained by emergency response personnel responding to fires at sites where explosives were stored without the knowledge of State and local officials. See Notice No. 841, 61 FR 53688 (Oct. 15, 1996).

ATF is concerned with the safety of emergency response personnel responding to fires on sites where explosives are stored, and the safety of the public around such areas. It is important that first responders are aware of explosives storage when responding to a fire site. Firefighters and other fire safety officials generally do not attempt to fight a fire that involves a container of explosive materials because of the potential for an explosion that could harm the responders. Knowledge of the existence of explosives in such close proximity to a fire would typically prompt an evacuation of the facility and the surrounding area to ensure the safety of the first responders and the public.

The regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) requires the reporting of certain information when storage of explosive materials commences, but does not specifically require subsequent reporting that might reflect changes in the type of explosives and magazine capacity. Explosives industry association representatives raised this issue with ATF during discussions conducted in connection with Executive Order 13650 of August 1, 2013, “Improving Chemical Facility Safety and Security.” These representatives recommended that this regulation be amended to require annual reporting. They stated that this would increase communication between industry members and their local emergency responders, mitigate the negative effects of turnover in the emergency response community, and increase training opportunities for the local responders.

Executive Order 13650 recognizes the importance of implementing safety measures for the handling and storage of chemicals, including explosive materials. In addition, it established the Chemical Facility Safety and Security Working Group, co-chaired by the heads of the Department of Homeland Security, the Environmental Protection Agency, and the Department of Labor, and whose membership includes the heads of the Department of Justice, Department of Agriculture, and Department of Transportation, to carry out the responsibilities of the order. Department heads can also delegate their responsibilities to a representative. A final report, submitted by the working group to the President in May 2014, notes that ATF will work closely with explosives industry associations to develop best practices, procedures, or regulations to improve communication with fire authorities, including more frequent notification of significant changes to storage facilities. See Executive Order 13650: Actions to Improve Chemical Facility Safety and Security—A Shared Commitment: Report for the President at 51 (May 2014),

https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2014-08-25-final-chemical-eo-status-report-508.pdf.

II. Proposed Amendments to 27 CFR Part 555​

As a result of our consultations with explosives industry associations, ATF is proposing to amend the regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) to require annual reporting of explosive materials storage to local fire authorities. ATF believes that a requirement for annual reporting will lead to more frequent contact between persons storing explosive materials and local fire authorities, ensure that explosives storage information is timely provided to new first responder staff members, and serve to reinforce the importance of the information to fire response organizations. ATF believes that an annual reporting time frame would best balance the need for these results against the burden of more frequent reporting. For these reasons, ATF is proposing to amend the regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) to require persons to report storage of explosive materials to local fire authorities on an annual basis.

The current regulation at 27 CFR 555.201(f) requires any person who stores explosive materials to provide to fire safety officials an oral notification before the end of the day on which storage of the explosive materials commenced, and in writing ( e.g., email, letter) within 48 hours after commencement of storage. Both forms of notification must include the type of explosives, magazine capacity, and location of each site where such explosive materials are stored.

ATF proposes amending the regulation to require any person who stores explosive materials to notify authorities having jurisdiction for fire safety in the locality in which the explosive materials are being stored upon commencement of storage and every 12 months thereafter. In addition, such persons would be required to provide written notification whenever they discontinue the storage of explosives.

ATF further proposes to amend the regulation to require that each written notification contain the name, title, and agency of the fire authority official notified and the date of the written notification. The person submitting the notification will be required to retain a copy of the written notification for five years and make such notification available for examination or inspection by ATF at all reasonable times.

This annual notification will increase public safety through increased communication between storers of explosive materials and their local emergency responders, provide updated storage information to local authorities, and allow for risk assessments and emergency response preparation prior to incidents, thus reducing potential safety and damage risk to first responders and emergency equipment, respectively.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I read somewhere that this is aimed at tannerite...fwiw.

 

[M-61]

I am suspicious of the ATF.

I ended your sentence.
I would add “ I am suspicious of the entire US Government. Every single action. Someone want an example? I’ve got the time. ( I think)

 

[OldManTA]

This is bad, the ATF is proposing that we report annually on the amount of gun powder we have at our homes.

Regulations.gov

www.regulations.gov

I read that and it says "explosives". Smokeless gun powder is not explosive, it is propellant. Now, do I trust the ATF under this administration???? Explosives detonate. Propellants deflagrate . Do your own research.
Tom Alves

 

[lawman29]

555.141 Exemptions.​

(a) General. Except for the provisions of §§ 555.180 and 555.181, this part does not apply to:
(1) Any aspect of the transportation of explosive materials via railroad, water, highway, or air which is regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation and its agencies, and which pertains to safety. For example, regulations issued by the Department of Transportation addressing the security risk of aliens transporting explosives by commercial motor or railroad carrier from Canada preclude the enforcement of 18 U.S.C. 842(i)(5) against persons shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing explosives incident to and in connection with the commercial transportation of explosives by truck or rail from Canada into the United States. Questions concerning this exception should be directed to ATF's Explosives Industry Program Branch in Washington, DC.
(2) The use of explosive materials in medicines and medicinal agents in the forms prescribed by the official United States Pharmacopeia or the National Formulary. “The United States Pharmacopeia and The National Formulary,” USP and NF Compendia, are available from the United States Pharmacopeial Convention, Inc., 12601 Twinbrook Parkway, Rockville, Maryland 20852.
(3) The transportation, shipment, receipt, or importation of explosive materials for delivery to any agency of the United States or to any State or its political subdivision.
(4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition.
(5) The manufacture under the regulation of the military department of the United States of explosive materials for, or their distribution to or storage or possession by, the military or naval services or other agencies of the United States.
(6) Arsenals, navy yards, depots, or other establishments owned by, or operated by or on behalf of, the United States.
(7) The importation, distribution, and storage of fireworks classified as UN0336, UN0337, UN0431, or UN0432 explosives by the U.S. Department of Transportation at 49 CFR 172.101 and generally known as “consumer fireworks” or “articles pyrotechnic.”
(8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes.
(9) Industrial and laboratory chemicals which are intended for use as reagents and which are packaged and shipped pursuant to U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, 49 CFR Parts 100 to 177, which do not require explosives hazard warning labels.
(10) Model rocket motors that meet all of the following criteria—
(i) Consist of ammonium perchlorate composite propellant, black powder, or other similar low explosives;
(ii) Contain no more than 62.5 grams of total propellant weight; and
(iii) Are designed as single-use motors or as reload kits capable of reloading no more than 62.5 grams of propellant into a reusable motor casing.
(b) Black powder. Except for the provisions applicable to persons required to be licensed under subpart D, this part does not apply with respect to commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed 50 pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or antique devices, as exempted from the term “destructive devices” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4).

 

[NorCalMikie]

What gun powder? I ain't got no stinken gun powder! I don't gots to show you no stinken gun powder!!
Not registered so, no way of tracking it UNLESS you tell them!!!
Like I said, what gun powder?

And IMHO, NOBODY is coming after your guns unless you're a dum azz
and do something STUPID to attract their attention.

 

[urbanrifleman]

555.141 Exemptions.​

(a) General. Except for the provisions of §§ 555.180 and 555.181, this part does not apply to:
(1) Any aspect of the transportation of explosive materials via railroad, water, highway, or air which is regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation and its agencies, and which pertains to safety. For example, regulations issued by the Department of Transportation addressing the security risk of aliens transporting explosives by commercial motor or railroad carrier from Canada preclude the enforcement of 18 U.S.C. 842(i)(5) against persons shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing explosives incident to and in connection with the commercial transportation of explosives by truck or rail from Canada into the United States. Questions concerning this exception should be directed to ATF's Explosives Industry Program Branch in Washington, DC.
(2) The use of explosive materials in medicines and medicinal agents in the forms prescribed by the official United States Pharmacopeia or the National Formulary. “The United States Pharmacopeia and The National Formulary,” USP and NF Compendia, are available from the United States Pharmacopeial Convention, Inc., 12601 Twinbrook Parkway, Rockville, Maryland 20852.
(3) The transportation, shipment, receipt, or importation of explosive materials for delivery to any agency of the United States or to any State or its political subdivision.
(4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition.
(5) The manufacture under the regulation of the military department of the United States of explosive materials for, or their distribution to or storage or possession by, the military or naval services or other agencies of the United States.
(6) Arsenals, navy yards, depots, or other establishments owned by, or operated by or on behalf of, the United States.
(7) The importation, distribution, and storage of fireworks classified as UN0336, UN0337, UN0431, or UN0432 explosives by the U.S. Department of Transportation at 49 CFR 172.101 and generally known as “consumer fireworks” or “articles pyrotechnic.”
(8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes.
(9) Industrial and laboratory chemicals which are intended for use as reagents and which are packaged and shipped pursuant to U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, 49 CFR Parts 100 to 177, which do not require explosives hazard warning labels.
(10) Model rocket motors that meet all of the following criteria—
(i) Consist of ammonium perchlorate composite propellant, black powder, or other similar low explosives;
(ii) Contain no more than 62.5 grams of total propellant weight; and
(iii) Are designed as single-use motors or as reload kits capable of reloading no more than 62.5 grams of propellant into a reusable motor casing.
(b) Black powder. Except for the provisions applicable to persons required to be licensed under subpart D, this part does not apply with respect to commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed 50 pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or antique devices, as exempted from the term “destructive devices” in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4).

That appears to end that conversation.

 

[NorCalMikie]

I am suspicious of the entire US Government????

Say it isn't so. I can't see what would cause to think that way.
Had enough IN YOUR FACE yet??

 

[urbanrifleman]

Say it isn't so. I can't see what would cause to think that way.
Had enough IN YOUR FACE yet??

The Constitutional Republic has been taken over by a group of oligarchs who have essentially bought all the representatives (the people who keep saying our government is a "democracy"), either through money, or blackmail, or a combination thereof. So, those people, no matter which one is elected, are already owned by these people before they ever get to Washington. Although they pretend to represent the people all the while. And the oligarchs took over very easily. All it took was a total stranglehold on the media and the internet.
They control the flow of information now.
Not the government.
They don't need the government. They own the government.
The people In the government protect the oligarchs from the people, instead of protecting the people from the oligarchs.

 

[dcali]

Bureaucrats are going to bureaucrat. This is a big nothing.

 

[divingin]

Smokeless powder is not an explosive in any case - flammable, yes; explosive, no. Primers, however, are, though they are granted exceptions to a lot of these rules.

 

[Chaotik]

The Constitutional Republic has been taken over by a group of oligarchs who have essentially bought all the representatives (the people who keep saying our government is a "democracy"), either through money, or blackmail, or a combination thereof. So, those people, no matter which one is elected, are already owned by these people before they ever get to Washington. Although they pretend to represent the people all the while. And the oligarchs took over very easily. All it took was a total stranglehold on the media and the internet.
They control the flow of information now.
Not the government.
They don't need the government. They own the government.
The people In the government protect the oligarchs from the people, instead of protecting the people from the oligarchs.

It's the Iron Law of Oligarchy.

 

[Txhillbilly]

I read somewhere that this is aimed at tannerite...fwiw.

Tannerite has to have both components mixed together in order for it to become "active". As long as the two components remain separated, they pose no ignition threat what so ever.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Tannerite has to have both components mixed together in order for it to become "active". As long as the two components remain separated, they pose no ignition threat what so ever.

No argument here. Just stating what I had read. It may or may not be true but I can see them wanting to control it, too.

 

[dhagerty40]

smokeless powder is classified as a Propellant the last time i checked. so, this would not apply.

Black Powder though would fall under it.

 

[NorCalMikie]

Since when does a Government Agancy worry about "details"??
Take your STUFF, throw YOU in the slam and let YOU deal with it. Sound familiar?? Ask ANYBODY that has EVER mentioned the name or even thought about that person Trump. Had enough yet???