Are folks really buying those rifles in the mags????

[rbertalotto]

In the last couple days I received a few gun magazines. Mostly having to do with rifle shooting.

One of the big name bullet companies has a factory rifle that has a "starting" price of $4000.......And it isn't even polished and blued.....it's painted!......another company is pulling bits and pieces off the shelf and assembling a nice rifle that "starts" at $6000!!!!!!....more for "Select Walnut"!!!

It seems like all of a sudden, everyone got a CNC turning center and they are making actions that are MUCH better than what you can currently get. Seems all the companies that have been making actions for the past 30-40 years had no idea what they were doing.............

And then a writer gets one of these mega big buck rifles and takes it shooting. Of course there is always an excuse...."Wind was blowing hard"...."It was too hot"....."It was too cold"........The scope wasn't set for his eyes!!!!"........"Only had factory ammo available"..........And many times these guns turn in a 2.5' - 3" THREE SHOT GROUPS!......But the writer always covers himself by stating that "With handloads it should do much better"...."It show potential".........

Then on the very next page, a $1000 Savage factory rifle turns in a 20 shot average group of .5" (Petersons RifleShooter, July/August 2011 pg 24)

Same magazine, pg 48, has a rifle for $6,498 that averaged it's best three shot groups of 1.0"...........

I think I'm going to go out and sell my truck and get a CNC turning center........

 

[Rem06]

yup. there's a sucker born every day. we just went through this not very long ago here with a rifle/scope/ammo combo for only $7000,00 LOL

I am teaching a friend about shooting right now, and it is amazing how he doesn't know anything about guns or shooting, then all of a sudden they see this article in a major magazine that claims to do it all for you! WOW, i'm done, I'll just get one of them! PFEW!?? that's simple.

 

[fdshuster]

Same thing the car magazines are doing when they do a review of a sports car that has a $750,000 price tag. Guess it gives the dreamers something to fantasize about.

 

[rbertalotto]

Yea, but a $750,000 car will at least get you l--- !

And a half million dollar car has a whole bunch of stuff in it.....................A $6500 factory rifle has a stock, trigger, action, bolt and barrel.........How can it be $5500 better than a Savage stock, trigger, action, bolt and barrel?

Now totally custom rifles are a different thing...........Superb, extremely rare and old dried wood, great checkering, blueing, engraving. Maybe a beautiful set of sights........and it might come in a leather wrapped, brass accessorized case. And it's a "One Of"...........not a semi production rifle in a plastic stock with a painted barrel and action..........

 

[Forum Boss]

I hear you...

I've seen some "tactical rifles" priced in the $5,400 range. I priced out the components (Rem 700 clone action, Rock Barrel, McMillan inletted color-molded stock, badger bottom metal and Picatinny rail), added a generous $700.00 for chambering/barrel fitting plus pillar bedding the action. After adding it all up, I still came a couple THOUSAND shy of the asking price.

 

[serial # 001]

A few years ago I ordered a Brown Precison for $3000. After trying two different bullet weights and two powders I was very frustrated because I could only get 3" groups. VISA recovered my purchase price. When I asked for my Remington 700 aciton back, the guy told me I would have to come up with $750 bucks. I ask why and he told me for all the work they did on it. Give me a break.

I took an old Klienguenter to a local guy in Grants Pass, Lock, Stock and Barrel. He rebarreled it and chambered it for the same caliber the custom rifle was chambered for. The first three shots made a 15/16" group and the next three went 5/8". He refinished the stock, installed a new kick pad, did a trigger job and installed a muzzle brake for $700.

I no longer beleive the experts are from out of town.

 

[DukeDuke]

We still buy Corvettes, aren't we? Welcome to America! Marketing is the name of the game.

 

[fdshuster]

And the word "Tactical" will automatically add a large sum of $$$$$$$$ to the asking price, aimed at all the SWAT team wannabe's out there. Take any item from rifles, scopes, slings, bi-pods, pants, shoes, knives, leather belts, hats, eye protection, put the word "tactical" in front of it and somehow it becomes more valuable? Speaking briefly about Corvettes: I bought a new '63 split window coupe, 327/340HP, for the grand total of $4936.00 in Sept. '63.

 

[Taildrag15X]

I think your 63' split window would be worth more now than any $6,000 "Tactical" thing would be in 48 years.........

Not to hi-jack, but.....

My brother opted for an off the train 63' Impala SS 327, 4-speed, Saddle tan, he updated from the 55' chevy 4-door sedan 210 with the fake V8 emblems under the tail lights which sat in the yard for months with a price of $350 on the windshield..............he was in his 3rd year Mizzou and my mother bought the old car finally to free him up and drove it until 66' when dad replaced it with a Nova SS shich she hated.

 

[nhm16]

I hear you...

I've seen some "tactical rifles" priced in the $5,400 range. I priced out the components (Rem 700 clone action, Rock Barrel, McMillan inletted color-molded stock, badger bottom metal and Picatinny rail), added a generous $700.00 for chambering/barrel fitting plus pillar bedding the action. After adding it all up, I still came a couple THOUSAND shy of the asking price.

I had a tactical style gun built with all the goodies (Stiller TAC-30/Rock barrel/Manners T5A stock with mini-chassis) that only cost me $2,400 including the smithing and FFL fees (though I'm spending a little more to have it Cerakoted). Built locally, it's easily my most accurate gun (3/8moa or better). For the prices some people have mentioned I could get two of my gun for what is being charged for one.

Heck, if you want a gun from a big name, a GAP Crusader is only $3,725, and that's a proven value.

For these kinds of rifles, if you spend $2,000+ you should be entitled to a 1/2moa gun or better, not one that can't outshoot a $1,000 off the rack Savage.

 

[queen_stick]

oooohhhh! I saw one of those so-called "suckers" yesterday! ... check it out...

Saw a dude at the range yesterday with a brand new AR15. You could tell he wasn't from "around here." Definitely a city boy.

I like AR's even though I don't own one, so I was asking him about some details on his gun. He said he bought it out of a magazine a few weeks ago. It's some match-grade tactical model, and he payed $5500 for it. I about shit myself when he told me the cost, but then I thought to myself... I don't know anything about custom AR's, and maybe it was a good buy?

The guy then pulls out 10x 30-round magazines; All stacked to the top. (That's correct, he had 10 magazines... filled with 30 rounds each). He then proceeded to shoot at a 50 yard target... this is when I knew the guy didn't have a clue. He was shooting all over the place. spraying holes all over his 2' x 3' target, and even missing the paper all together. I offered some advise on some things he was obviously doing wrong... he didn't want it... he just wanted to spray lead all over the place. I finally convinced him to set the gun on a rest (wooden block) to see how it would shoot without his horrible off-hand position. At 50 yards, he was printing 3" groups off of that block. To me, that's just awful, with any ammo or any shooter... if it's on a block/rest, it better shoot smaller than that.

some people have no clue, and they have no desire to get one... those are the people buying stuff like that out of magazines

 

[pgg]

oooohhhh! I saw one of those so-called "suckers" yesterday! ... check it out...

Saw a dude at the range yesterday with a brand new AR15. You could tell he wasn't from "around here." Definitely a city boy.

I like AR's even though I don't own one, so I was asking him about some details on his gun. He said he bought it out of a magazine a few weeks ago. It's some match-grade tactical model, and he payed $5500 for it. I about shit myself when he told me the cost, but then I thought to myself... I don't know anything about custom AR's, and maybe it was a good buy?

The guy then pulls out 10x 30-round magazines; All stacked to the top. (That's correct, he had 10 magazines... filled with 30 rounds each). He then proceeded to shoot at a 50 yard target... this is when I knew the guy didn't have a clue. He was shooting all over the place. spraying holes all over his 2' x 3' target, and even missing the paper all together. I offered some advise on some things he was obviously doing wrong... he didn't want it... he just wanted to spray lead all over the place. I finally convinced him to set the gun on a rest (wooden block) to see how it would shoot without his horrible off-hand position. At 50 yards, he was printing 3" groups off of that block. To me, that's just awful, with any ammo or any shooter... if it's on a block/rest, it better shoot smaller than that.

some people have no clue, and they have desire to get one... those are the people buying stuff like that out of magazines

He liked to make it go bang bang bang

 

[memilanuk]

Then on the very next page, a $1000 Savage factory rifle turns in a 20 shot average group of .5" (Petersons RifleShooter, July/August 2011 pg 24)

Same magazine, pg 48, has a rifle for $6,498 that averaged it's best three shot groups of 1.0"...........

And yet people still piss and moan about the cost of that factory rifle and expect it to be gold plated and steer the bullets for them at that price... ???

 

[skeetlee]

I think its called free market. If there is a demand then why not. After all even the gun builders need to feed there family just as you and I. A fool and his money may soon part, but it isnt any of my buisness. Just the way i see it. Lee

 

[MOO1072]

$5,500 for an AR-15 that shoots 3" Groups at 50 yards. I wonder if it was made in China?

 

[jonbearman]

I built an AR out of 3 different manufacturers parts and put a jewel trigger in it to boot.Total cost 575.00 give or take 10.00. Took it to the range and proceeded to shoot 3/8th's groups with it.It is still going strong after 10 years of occasional use. I agree with lee,if you got it and want to spend it,go for it. There are people that think there is value in bragging about what they spent for an average performer. They must be politicians,LOL

 

[alamo308]

One of those Spray-and-Pray guys was shooting next to me with his brand-new $5000+ 'tactical' scoped rifle, and deliriously happy that he was getting holes in the paper at 100 yards. I just happened to be there testing some new ammo loads in my totally original 1902 Swede Mauser (iron sights). I asked if he wanted to peep through my spotting scope at my target, and he said, "Where is it? I don't see any target." I told him to look at the 300 yard berm. With a smirk as if to say, "Sure, old man, whatever..." He bent over, and his jaw dropped. I had a six-inch group in the 18" Shoot-n-See at 300 yards. He then looked back at his gun and target, and I thought I saw little tears forming in the corners of his eyes. LOL!

 

[boltman13]

Too many novice shooters, tactical and otherwise fail to appreciate the amount of skill and practice it takes to be able to shoot well with any rifle. They try to take a short cut with high priced big name equipment. Accuracy does cost money, but a lot of the $ go for amo to practice or components to build a good load and practice. Some rifles will never be accurate no mater what. Some shooters won't either no matter what rifle they shoot.