Are all Rem 700 actions the same?

[Preacher]

99% of the actions, new or old have little if any primary extraction......

 

[dantiff2]

Thats somewhat disheartening to know a gun is allowed to be manufactured and sold with one of its primary features nonfunctioning.

Dan

 

[CatShooter]

Thats somewhat disheartening to know a gun is allowed to be manufactured and sold with one of its primary features nonfunctioning.

Dan

It is not part of the design... so there is nothing "non-functioning", so there is nothing to be disheartened about.

The only extraction in a 700 action is at the top of the bold lift. It works.

 

[dantiff2]

In my opinion, it is a part of the design! A properly working gun will extract it's spent case from the chamber. Mine don't. I must wiggle or tap the bolt handle toward the rear. Both the action and bolt handle have built in amped surfaces to aid in this extraction. How is this not part of the design??

Dan

 

[butchlambert]

Dan,
I agree I agree that it could be an aggravation, but it can be fixed.

 

[hogpatrol]

Don't forget there's now a hatchet man in charge of Remington. He ran Home Depot in to the ground and followed up with Chrysler. For my money, and from my friend's experience with new models, I stay away from the green R. YMMV

I stand corrected. Mr. Nardelli resigned as CEO of the Freedom Group (Rem, amongst others) and left Cerberus Capital Management's employ in 2012. (Was there just long enough to do his handiwork). He was voted one of the worst CEOs in America.

 

[CatShooter]

In my opinion, it is a part of the design! A properly working gun will extract it's spent case from the chamber. Mine don't. I must wiggle or tap the bolt handle toward the rear. Both the action and bolt handle have built in amped surfaces to aid in this extraction. How is this not part of the design??

Dan

Exactly what surface in the action does, (or should) start extraction on the beginning of bolt lift? Where is the ramp that starts forcing the bolt back - it is impossible. There is no ramped surface until you get to the top of the bolt lift.

There is no surface - saying in your "opinion", it "should" does not mean it was designed to. Just where is this defective ramped surface?

 

[flatlander]

I learned from experience that if the bolt handle isn't silver soldered onto the bolt body correctly (timed), you won't have the primary extraction aid that the matching camming surfaces at the root of the bolt handle & rear of the rear receiver bridge were designed to provide. It was about the time that I'd re-soldered the handle on a PTG custom bolt for my 284 for the 2nd time that PTG started making one piece bolts - and I haven't bought a 2-piece bolt since. A really well designed & solid soldering jig would make things a lot easier - I'm assuming that Dans40X has such a fixture, since he does an excellent job of TIG welding bolt handles on Rem bolt bodies.

 

[butchlambert]

Dennis,
I don't believe anybody has bolt extraction and bolt timing in hand any better than Dans40X. I send him the bolt only with the dimensions that he wants and it comes back exactly as it should. He does not need you to send your Remington receiver if you can measure accurately.

 

[CSM19Z5M]

Just had a varmint rifle built for me with a stainless 700SA that was trued. This old argument about the old actions being better than the new ones is functionally meaningless. Since you can't buy a 700 action by itself, the only way to get one is to buy a new Rem 700 rifle, throw away the barrel and stock, harvest the action and true it. That's it folks. I would love to have a supply of "old"700 actions but it isn't going to happen so if you want one you are stuck with the process I just described. My new custom varminter has one of these actions and it has been trued, tuned and polished and a new bolt handle installed and it is smoother to operate than any "old" 700 action produced. And it shoots like a laser so I don't care if it is forty years old or forty days old, it's a safe, strong and accurate action. If you don't like the new Remingtons' tolerances then just buy one and have your smith tune it up for you. Most of all the actions built today are built using CNC technology which means tolerances are consistent and repeatability in manufacture is improved. That does not mean that the "fitting" is as good necessarily because the craftsman have been replaced by operators. Have your new 700 actions tuned up and they will out shoot any other factory actions produced. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[fishin-goat]

I have two newish 700's bought in 2005-2007 maybe,one shot okay until i put it in a better stock then it shot good. My .22-.250 VSSF II shot phenomenal out of the box. i think the stock makes the biggest difference with the factory Remingtons. These are the stainless and are very smooth, I looked at the matte black ones at that time and thought they were rougher because of the coating but i bet they still shoot good. I also have a couple of C prefix 700's, I just just bought a stock with an aluminum bedding block for the 6 mm Rem. and i could not get it to line up in the stock properly and thought the stock was messed up, after i walked away in frustration I inspected it again and realized the recoil lug is slightly rotated to the left and the factory stock was inletted for it. So i ordered a alignment tool to fix it so i don't have to so I don't have to inlet the bedding block,and after trying to remove the factory barrel for an hour I might be inletting the bedding block. Putting the alignment tool on it as it sits the lug is off about an 1/8"

 

[rwk]

From what years are the better ones.

 

[hogpatrol]

Just had a varmint rifle built for me with a stainless 700SA that was trued. This old argument about the old actions being better than the new ones is functionally meaningless. Since you can't buy a 700 action by itself, the only way to get one is to buy a new Rem 700 rifle, throw away the barrel and stock, harvest the action and true it. That's it folks. I would love to have a supply of "old"700 actions but it isn't going to happen so if you want one you are stuck with the process I just described. My new custom varminter has one of these actions and it has been trued, tuned and polished and a new bolt handle installed and it is smoother to operate than any "old" 700 action produced. And it shoots like a laser so I don't care if it is forty years old or forty days old, it's a safe, strong and accurate action. If you don't like the new Remingtons' tolerances then just buy one and have your smith tune it up for you. Most of all the actions built today are built using CNC technology which means tolerances are consistent and repeatability in manufacture is improved. That does not mean that the "fitting" is as good necessarily because the craftsman have been replaced by operators. Have your new 700 actions tuned up and they will out shoot any other factory actions produced. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

FYI: http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/rifle-receivers/700-short-action-receivers-prod75065.aspx?avs|Price_1=300xzzx00%20TO%20799xzzx99

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/rifle-receivers/index.htm?avs

 

[Joe Salt]

The actions From the 1950 and 60's The 721 is one of the best actions Remington ever made, along with the 722. I have Five 721's. I got a Custom 700 Engraved mind you from the Custom shop. I bought it for the Action to make a hunting rifle, The price was $300 bucks Couldn't pass it up,It was in 300 ultra mag. Well when I gave it to my buddy to dissect, He called and told me the thing when put together at THE CUSTOM SHOP, was cross threaded needed two men and a boy to get it apart. But when he was done with it, it shot great. May have had a lot to do with the Gunsmith

joe Salt

 

[butchlambert]

Joe, cross threaded? How did he repair that?

 

[CatShooter]

Joe, cross threaded? How did he repair that?

^^^ What he asked - and how do you cross thread a barrel - it would take 7 gorillas on a 20 foot pipe to screw the action on it.

 

[Joe Salt]

To my understanding the thing was bad. Cross threaded was my way of putting it. He had to chase the threads, what would you say it would be you have surely come across some like that.

joe Salt

 

[hogpatrol]

To my understanding the thing was bad. Cross threaded was my way of putting it. He had to chase the threads, what would you say it would be you have surely come across some like that.

joe Salt

Threads were galled.

 

[butchlambert]

Typical Remington with the thread locker they use.

 

[Joe Salt]

Thanks Hogpatrol thats what it was.

Joe Salt