ARA Factory class rule opinion

[Hi-NV Shooter]

This is in the rules for ARA factory class. my interpretation is that a bungee is allowed as long as the stock can be lifted off the rear rest be it sandbag or mechanical. what is your opinion? have anybody used one?

. RETURN-TO-BATTERY: a. A bungee may be used to connect the trigger guard to the front rest in factory class as long as the stock can lift free of the rear rest. Other return-to-battery methods may be allowed in factory class if they don’t violate the other rules for factory class.

Lee

 

[WyleWD]

Not a fan of it. JMHO, but the area of the trigger guard and trigger area should be clean, clear, and unobstructed. The way it is worded could allow some (possibly) dangerous "engineering". WD

 

[cavedweller60]

This is in the rules for ARA factory class. my interpretation is that a bungee is allowed as long as the stock can be lifted off the rear rest be it sandbag or mechanical. what is your opinion? have anybody used one?

. RETURN-TO-BATTERY: a. A bungee may be used to connect the trigger guard to the front rest in factory class as long as the stock can lift free of the rear rest. Other return-to-battery methods may be allowed in factory class if they don’t violate the other rules for factory class.

Lee

I think you are correct in your interpretation.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I think you are correct in your interpretation.

Thanks, I wonder what other RTB would be allowed?

Lee

 

[cavedweller60]

This is only my second season but, I have yet to see a factory shooters use anything for RTB. The UL guys use them frequently but not factory.

 

[gkgeiger]

This is not a Factory rifle but a system I was playing with a while back. I believe this would be legal for ARA Factory, correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[dusterdave173]

I wish they would have limited ARA Factory to Bipod and rear bag--this thread is a signal that Factory is already headed to extremes--I think they already have a class for that called Unlimited
It is a shame that the entry level now includes a $2k rest etc
If you look at F Class the entry class got so out of hand they had to invent a new basic class and within a year it will be tricked out too
We attend a local very casual match--you score your own targets, make your change out of the cash box with your entry--all meant to avoid the troubles that the elders know all too well from their years of traveling and competing--well...over this past winter everyone upped their game so much it is starting to strain the class rules--and...history will repeat itself

We know folks that are sending their factory rifles to top level smiths for every possible trick and advantage---I have brought new shooters in --they see that Factory is an arms race right from the start--they look at rest $$--they shoot a few matches with a bipod and bag then see that it will be an uphill battle all the way--some stay but more have faded away

If you do not have a true Basic entry level class and Protect that class you have no future --no growth--

 

[gkgeiger]

I still see guys winning with a bipod and bag.

 

[dusterdave173]

Yes sir! We do just fine with that set up but the trend is headed toward more complicated as the original thread indicates

 

[cabenchrest]

This is not a Factory rifle but a system I was playing with a while back. I believe this would be legal for ARA Factory, correct me if I’m wrong.

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I do not believe the front stop is legal, It needs to be two pieces

Dan

 

[gkgeiger]

I do not believe the front stop is legal, It needs to be two pieces

Dan

If you’re correct, oh well, I use an old method, I push it forward.

 

[Evelio]

If you’re correct, oh well, I use an old method, I push it forward.

The front one-piece stop is legal, if you put a board or a towel under the bipod legs it needs to be two separate pieces and not connected to the rear bag or mechanical rear rest.
Evelio.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I wish they would have limited ARA Factory to Bipod and rear bag--this thread is a signal that Factory is already headed to extremes--I think they already have a class for that called Unlimited
It is a shame that the entry level now includes a $2k rest etc
If you look at F Class the entry class got so out of hand they had to invent a new basic class and within a year it will be tricked out too
We attend a local very casual match--you score your own targets, make your change out of the cash box with your entry--all meant to avoid the troubles that the elders know all too well from their years of traveling and competing--well...over this past winter everyone upped their game so much it is starting to strain the class rules--and...history will repeat itself

We know folks that are sending their factory rifles to top level smiths for every possible trick and advantage---I have brought new shooters in --they see that Factory is an arms race right from the start--they look at rest $$--they shoot a few matches with a bipod and bag then see that it will be an uphill battle all the way--some stay but more have faded away

If you do not have a true Basic entry level class and Protect that class you have no future --no growth--

How is this thread an example of factory class heading to extremes?

My question was about using a bungee and what I interrupt them as being allowed. the only reason I asked this is because I understand quite few factory class shoot locked down front rest.

FYI, I don't shoot factory calls only UL, so my question is pure curiosity

Lee

 

[Tad_Earhart]

With any type of return, you are opening up a box into tuning/ability to tune easier. Interesting on allowing it.

Tad

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

With any type of return, you are opening up a box into tuning/ability to tune easier. Interesting on allowing it.

Tad

That was my thoughts as well. Interesting that no one has tried to experiment with this

Lee

 

[PWNolan]

I still see guys winning with a bipod and bag.

Yep! I did well with a bipod and rear bag. If someone chooses to use a $2K rest then that's on them. IMO, it doesn't really give them an advantage. I have a nice front rest with windage top and I still chose to shoot off a bipod. Year two of factory class I went to a Rempel F-class bipod and rear mechanical rest. It's a nice setup but I don't think it helped my scores any

 

[PWNolan]

With any type of return, you are opening up a box into tuning/ability to tune easier. Interesting on allowing it.

Tad

That's irrelevant Tad since they're not using tuners in factory class. Unless you're referring to tuning by using the bungee or by other means?

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

That's irrelevant Tad since they're not using tuners in factory class. Unless you're referring to tuning by using the bungee or by other means?

If you believe that a barrel will move upward as the rifle will recoil how you alter how fast or slow it moves rearward can alter how much the barrel will rise up and thus effect the bullet exit.
it works for barrels with tuners. how or if it will have an effect with a barrel with no tuner might be something intriguing minds might want to find out.

Lee

 

[PWNolan]

If you believe that a barrel will move upward as the rifle will recoil how you alter how fast or slow it moves rearward can alter how much the barrel will rise up and thus effect the bullet exit.
it works for barrels with tuners. how or if it will have an effect with a barrel with no tuner might be something intriguing minds might want to find out.

Lee

I actually thought about what Tad was referring to after I made my comment. He's mentioned this before when discussing his system for adjusting bungee tension. But that was with UL rifles off a one-piece rest. For factory class you'd have to get the RTB to work consistently not to mention having a factory rifle that shoots well enough to be able to recognize the change. I would imagine the rests would need to be set up the exact same way each time you go to a match too. Never say never but it seems like it would be difficult to get consistent results long-term. I'd be interested in seeing someone prove me wrong though

 

[Tad_Earhart]

Tuning does not just happen at the end of the barrel. The term does typically go hand in hand with that but it is more broad than just there.

If you can see that you changed "scope zero" based on shoulder pressure or how hard you grip up the gun, likely you can change how it shoots (tune) from adjustments in recoil control. I am referring to factory stuff here. It would be harder to do with the bipod setup than a good front and rear rest but it also would be hard to beat the stability of the bipod in that plane.

Will these rifles react like a UL rifle in a one piece? No, but could a person pick up a shot a card with a good way to make recoil more consistent at an optimal place? I would say very possible. For matches with scores so tight, we all know how often a shot a card or even a shot per match would move a person up the finishing order.