Had a chance to use one on a friend's rifle during a 300m shoot earlier this year, it was a very impressive scope. Conditions were very overcast and I was able to use it at 60x. More than that and things just got too dark, however I'm sure in sunny, cool conditions, you could crank on 80x. Resolution was outstanding but at this end of the scope game, you get what you pay for IMO.
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ANY SCOPE MFG CO PLANNING ON SELLING A SCOPE BIGGER THEN A MAC 8-80 X ?
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Had a chance to use one on a friend's rifle during a 300m shoot earlier this year, it was a very impressive scope. Conditions were very overcast and I was able to use it at 60x. More than that and things just got too dark, however I'm sure in sunny, cool conditions, you could crank on 80x. Resolution was outstanding but at this end of the scope game, you get what you pay for IMO.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Like to bring this topic back up to top again. Has any one looked through the Mach 8-80 power scope ? And what do you think of it? I have had some laser operations done this year on shooting eye and cataract removal. Have not shot a gun since feb 9 because of all surgeries. Just wondering what it is like to look through one. I have sold a bunch of guns this year I don't use and thinking about buying one with my money from other guns I sold . Looking to put on a long barrel 6.5 creedmoor ruger. I would like to try shooting gongs at 1200 yards. I wish some one in Iowa or IL had one I could look through. I would pay them $25.00 just to look through it and see what a target looks like at 1000 yards. Sure wish some one would come out with a 10-100 x 75 rifle scope with just the dot. Maybe I should put a limited partnership together and see if a scope maker would build 100 scopes for us who want one. Who could you contact in Japan for a quote ? Sorry for the wild questions but some one has to ask them. Ha ha ha. Marty
We have a couple of guys on the team who have the March-X 8-80X56. I've not looked through it as I expect it's probably the same as my March-X 5-50X56 up to about 40x or 50x. I run mine at 40X most of the time, so never saw the need for more. I expect it will just get darker.
To get to 100X, probably the easiest way would be to take something like the March-X (X being the Roman numeral for 10, denoting its 10X zoom,) and change the eyepiece for a slightly more powerful one. That is essentially the difference between the 5-50X and the 8-80X. If you change the objective lens to something like 75mm that will probably require a great deal more engineering, but it would also provide a bigger exit pupil.
Currently, I am not aware of any other scope that has a 10X zoom range besides the March-X. Maybe it's time you sent an email to Deon in Japan and see what they say.
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I believe you would have to go through Shiraz Balolia at Bullets.com for that. He has exclusive importing and distribution rights for March Scopes in the U.S.A, and a few other areas.Deon in Japan. I will contact. Be interesting to see what they would charge to make a 100 10-100 x 75 scopes on a group buy. Thanks. Marty
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Good point, JRS.
NDAR15MAN, I would suggest you not stay married to that exact spec, 10-100X75, as explained above. You want 100X, but the rest should be flexible.
NDAR15MAN, I would suggest you not stay married to that exact spec, 10-100X75, as explained above. You want 100X, but the rest should be flexible.
have not heard back from Deon yet, they said the did get my inquiry. maybe they are all ready thinking about making one. Any other companies you guys now that i could contact about making a 10-100 x ? power scope ? got some guys that want to start a limited partnership and have 100 scopes made and real sell them. marty
Try LOW in Japan. You'll need a boatload of money no matter which company entertains your wants.have not heard back from Deon yet, they said the did get my inquiry. maybe they are all ready thinking about making one. Any other companies you guys now that i could contact about making a 10-100 x ? power scope ? got some guys that want to start a limited partnership and have 100 scopes made and real sell them. marty
Gentlemen,
Deon have the capability to make a 10-100 zoom scope, however the market for this will be pretty small and specialised, also the cost will be excessive,I am not saying Deon will never consider this, however there are already 21 lens in the 8-80 and 26 in the new HM scope. Denys is correct, no other manufacturer has the capability to do this as far as I am aware.
the new tech in the HM scope allows shooters to use 60X regularly rather than on "good" days so this will trickle down to other models eventually.
There is some exciting stuff in the pipeline which we are about to test however I cannot say any more at this time.
Denys, I have to say well done for your excellent explanation and comprehensive knowledge, it took some time to write all that, well done.
Kind regards
Gary Costello
(March Europe Distributor)
Deon have the capability to make a 10-100 zoom scope, however the market for this will be pretty small and specialised, also the cost will be excessive,I am not saying Deon will never consider this, however there are already 21 lens in the 8-80 and 26 in the new HM scope. Denys is correct, no other manufacturer has the capability to do this as far as I am aware.
the new tech in the HM scope allows shooters to use 60X regularly rather than on "good" days so this will trickle down to other models eventually.
There is some exciting stuff in the pipeline which we are about to test however I cannot say any more at this time.
Denys, I have to say well done for your excellent explanation and comprehensive knowledge, it took some time to write all that, well done.
Kind regards
Gary Costello
(March Europe Distributor)
Gary.. thanks for the info. man you would think myself and my limited partner ship guys could find some one to make these scopes for us. We have done some other projects that have been successful. I have a email in to Deon mfg but have not heard back from them. You say there is 21 lens with this size of scope ? Who all makes them ? i would like to contact them and see what they say. i am in contact with a Russian company also but we are not sure customs / national security will let me important it. This a no brainier for us , our research shows if we have the biggest powered rifle scope on the market it will sale especially if we bring it to market under $3000.00. All we have to do is get it made. Marty
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
I'm going to go out on a limb here (a bridge too far, so to speak, which is a dumb expression in the first place,) but if Deon were to do it, the selling price would be north of $4000 and probably even $5000.
Also, I would be extremely surprised if Deon would ever tell you who makes their lenses. JRS and I have had a great time sorting through some of that stuff, but these things are closely held secrets by all concerned. I suspect Nikon (Nikkor) makes some of the lenses, but I can't be sure.
If you do find out, please let us know, but I'm not holding my breath.
As I explained earlier, at these magnifications, the assembly od these devices is ultra critical and there are few manufacturers who could do this and still produce something worthwhile.
You can have high magnification, low price (<$3000) or workable scope. Pick any two qualities.
Also, I would be extremely surprised if Deon would ever tell you who makes their lenses. JRS and I have had a great time sorting through some of that stuff, but these things are closely held secrets by all concerned. I suspect Nikon (Nikkor) makes some of the lenses, but I can't be sure.
If you do find out, please let us know, but I'm not holding my breath.
As I explained earlier, at these magnifications, the assembly od these devices is ultra critical and there are few manufacturers who could do this and still produce something worthwhile.
You can have high magnification, low price (<$3000) or workable scope. Pick any two qualities.
Not sure what the equivalent magnification would be - what if you used an optical booster with an existing March 8-80?
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folks.........I have had a very interesting talk with a scope mfg company today. they are developing a scope with high magnification as we speak. They want the business themselves and at this point seem reluctant to give me a quote. I can tell by their comments that they know our limited partner ship can sale these scopes with no problem. It is a no brainier. Any one and every one would be interested in buying the largest scope on the market , it is human nature and they know it. has nothing to if it is practical or cost really if scopes are half way decent quality. This company knows that. Were still talking , but guess who is asking all the questions ?????? Not me and our group but the the scope MFG company. All they have been asking about is are marketing strategies......After the 30 question in a row from them with out even acknowledging my very 1st question I finally said i am not here to talk about my marketing strategies , I am ready to write a check for a 100 piece scope order with 10-100 x ? and following specs and a follow up order of 250 scopes. So what is the price ? They would not comment at this point and said they would get back to me. Your typical Japanese response in business...... copy , copy copy , use other peoples technology and use other peoples marketing strategies for themselves. We see it every day. I will keep you up dated. i think my group has a better chance getting these scopes made in Russia. They are broke and can do it , problem will be can I important this product . Will keep you posted. Marty
I see no need to have a 100x scope. I believe like others have said, it would be a hard sell. Most days I can't use over 40x because of mirage and atmospheric conditions, then you have the light gathering aspects as well.
I have a set of Kowa Highlanders and they have really good lenses. They are 32x and have 80mm objectives. They are good in low light and very clear. I can count points on deer at a mile, so i see no need for more power. I believe to see better the sight picture has to be good. This is just my opinion but my eyesight is horrible, compared to what other people tell me what they see. Matt
I have a set of Kowa Highlanders and they have really good lenses. They are 32x and have 80mm objectives. They are good in low light and very clear. I can count points on deer at a mile, so i see no need for more power. I believe to see better the sight picture has to be good. This is just my opinion but my eyesight is horrible, compared to what other people tell me what they see. Matt
You'll probably have to find someone to produce the super-duper extra high rings to accommodate that 75MM objective lens. An element of that size, along with the additional elements inside the tube, is going to result in a heavy scope.folks.........I have had a very interesting talk with a scope mfg company today. they are developing a scope with high magnification as we speak. They want the business themselves and at this point seem reluctant to give me a quote. I can tell by their comments that they know our limited partner ship can sale these scopes with no problem. It is a no brainier. Any one and every one would be interested in buying the largest scope on the market , it is human nature and they know it. has nothing to if it is practical or cost really if scopes are half way decent quality. This company knows that. Were still talking , but guess who is asking all the questions ?????? Not me and our group but the the scope MFG company. All they have been asking about is are marketing strategies......After the 30 question in a row from them with out even acknowledging my very 1st question I finally said i am not here to talk about my marketing strategies , I am ready to write a check for a 100 piece scope order with 10-100 x ? and following specs and a follow up order of 250 scopes. So what is the price ? They would not comment at this point and said they would get back to me. Your typical Japanese response in business...... copy , copy copy , use other peoples technology and use other peoples marketing strategies for themselves. We see it every day. I will keep you up dated. i think my group has a better chance getting these scopes made in Russia. They are broke and can do it , problem will be can I important this product . Will keep you posted. Marty
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
Marty, thanks for the update. I understand your desire for secrecy, but don't complain when people keep secrets from you.folks.........I have had a very interesting talk with a scope mfg company today. they are developing a scope with high magnification as we speak. They want the business themselves and at this point seem reluctant to give me a quote. I can tell by their comments that they know our limited partner ship can sale these scopes with no problem. It is a no brainier. Any one and every one would be interested in buying the largest scope on the market , it is human nature and they know it. has nothing to if it is practical or cost really if scopes are half way decent quality. This company knows that. Were still talking , but guess who is asking all the questions ?????? Not me and our group but the the scope MFG company. All they have been asking about is are marketing strategies......After the 30 question in a row from them with out even acknowledging my very 1st question I finally said i am not here to talk about my marketing strategies , I am ready to write a check for a 100 piece scope order with 10-100 x ? and following specs and a follow up order of 250 scopes. So what is the price ? They would not comment at this point and said they would get back to me. Your typical Japanese response in business...... copy , copy copy , use other peoples technology and use other peoples marketing strategies for themselves. We see it every day. I will keep you up dated. i think my group has a better chance getting these scopes made in Russia. They are broke and can do it , problem will be can I important this product . Will keep you posted. Marty
I don't think you would have any issues importing sports optics into this country; you may, however, have problems subsequently exporting such devices to other countries, even if they are not manufactured in the USA. (Yeah, I know, but this is government in action.)
Let me just caution you on one thing. While I understand the need some people have to claim bragging rights from owning the "most powerful" doodad on the planet, when it comes to optics there is such as thing as usefulness. If the image is too dark at max power, or if it's not crisp, it will be useless. To achieve something useful, you will need the very finest glass possible, with the very best assembly possible, and that ain't cheap or abundant.
There are probably some who would love to say they own a riflescope with the highest magnification in the world and then confess that they can't see a thing unless it's bright sunshine out there and even then the image is, well, vague. And pay $3000 to $5000 or more for that conundrum. Most people, the vast majority will not. As long as you know it's going to be a niche market, and you're going in with your eyes (and pocketbook) wide-open, then you're ok.
I look forward to reading the reviews.
Turbulent Turtle
F-TR competitor
I was thinking about what someone would see through a 100X scope, and it dawned on me that this would the first time we could talk about a field of view meaningfully measured in MOA. At 1000 yards, the FOV of my March-X is 21 feet in linear subtension. At 100X, that would be 10 feet or about 10MOA. The F-Class 1000 yard target is 6 MOA wide and high, you would have 2 MOA on either side as well as up and down. If you hold more than one MOA on the target in any direction you will start cutting off the target (round FOV, square target.)
Talk about tunnel vision.
Talk about tunnel vision.
Folks I understand what you guys are saying and really want to thank every one for feed back here. That's what it is all about before pulling trigger and spending money on s product your brining to the Market place. I know how many people need a 100 x power scope. But you guys have to understand out marking stratagie and what out research is showing. This is not our limited partnership 1st redo so to speak. We are about 14 out 19 projects that have been successful ( we have shown a profit on 14 products we have brought to market on ). Some have made a excellent return , some barely a profit. 5 years ago we brought a product to market and just now showed a profit on it. I would say the limited partnership on the one we started 5 years ago on might make a total profit of $5000.00. Not much for time and money we spent. This will be total profit before I die , I am 58. Ha ha ha. Some have been a real stinkers we're we lost a few thousand on. So it's just a simple business decision. On the scope we have to show the scope has the quality for the price point we are charging. That is what it boils down too. scope can be made if A Mfg will
Make it for us. And the Mfg has to be Comfortable putting their reputation on line making it for us. Scope mfg companies are a very secret industry. I think that started during WWI. So many people don't understand the basic of bringing a product to market.
It is so so so Much easier for a limited partner ship company to do this. I wish I had done this limited partnership thing when I was in my 20's. On our 100x power scope this is the what our marketing group research is showing , if you build it they will come ...... or in our case if you build it they will buy it just to say they have the biggest , badest scope in the world. no brainer. Just got to find a company that will build it. So far with last scope manufacturing company I talked to all they wanted to know was our business strategies on how and to who we will sale scope too. Reason is they are already in process of doing the same thing on paper as we speak. The Japan company I talked with does not want to give our group a quote because they know I will say yes and say money transfer is on the way to you in Japan. I could tell after my talk through interpreter on phone and emails they are scared to death of giving me a quote. Just my opinion , maybe I am wrong. I wish I could have had face to face to read their body language. I am trying to contact some Russian companies now and will
Keep You posted. Sorry about spelling errors here , I am out of office and typing on the phone. Thanks. Marty
Make it for us. And the Mfg has to be Comfortable putting their reputation on line making it for us. Scope mfg companies are a very secret industry. I think that started during WWI. So many people don't understand the basic of bringing a product to market.
It is so so so Much easier for a limited partner ship company to do this. I wish I had done this limited partnership thing when I was in my 20's. On our 100x power scope this is the what our marketing group research is showing , if you build it they will come ...... or in our case if you build it they will buy it just to say they have the biggest , badest scope in the world. no brainer. Just got to find a company that will build it. So far with last scope manufacturing company I talked to all they wanted to know was our business strategies on how and to who we will sale scope too. Reason is they are already in process of doing the same thing on paper as we speak. The Japan company I talked with does not want to give our group a quote because they know I will say yes and say money transfer is on the way to you in Japan. I could tell after my talk through interpreter on phone and emails they are scared to death of giving me a quote. Just my opinion , maybe I am wrong. I wish I could have had face to face to read their body language. I am trying to contact some Russian companies now and will
Keep You posted. Sorry about spelling errors here , I am out of office and typing on the phone. Thanks. Marty
What you are trying to accomplish is going to have to be a face to face discussion with the potential manufacturer. Purchase your airline tickets and get moving, and don't forget your written proposal, etc. Good luck.Folks I understand what you guys are saying and really want to thank every one for feed back here. That's what it is all about before pulling trigger and spending money on s product your brining to the Market place. I know how many people need a 100 x power scope. But you guys have to understand out marking stratagie and what out research is showing. This is not our limited partnership 1st redo so to speak. We are about 14 out 19 projects that have been successful ( we have shown a profit on 14 products we have brought to market on ). Some have made a excellent return , some barely a profit. 5 years ago we brought a product to market and just now showed a profit on it. I would say the limited partnership on the one we started 5 years ago on might make a total profit of $5000.00. Not much for time and money we spent. This will be total profit before I die , I am 58. Ha ha ha. Some have been a real stinkers we're we lost a few thousand on. So it's just a simple business decision. On the scope we have to show the scope has the quality for the price point we are charging. That is what it boils down too. scope can be made if A Mfg will
Make it for us. And the Mfg has to be Comfortable putting their reputation on line making it for us. Scope mfg companies are a very secret industry. I think that started during WWI. So many people don't understand the basic of bringing a product to market.
It is so so so Much easier for a limited partner ship company to do this. I wish I had done this limited partnership thing when I was in my 20's. On our 100x power scope this is the what our marketing group research is showing , if you build it they will come ...... or in our case if you build it they will buy it just to say they have the biggest , badest scope in the world. no brainer. Just got to find a company that will build it. So far with last scope manufacturing company I talked to all they wanted to know was our business strategies on how and to who we will sale scope too. Reason is they are already in process of doing the same thing on paper as we speak. The Japan company I talked with does not want to give our group a quote because they know I will say yes and say money transfer is on the way to you in Japan. I could tell after my talk through interpreter on phone and emails they are scared to death of giving me a quote. Just my opinion , maybe I am wrong. I wish I could have had face to face to read their body language. I am trying to contact some Russian companies now and will
Keep You posted. Sorry about spelling errors here , I am out of office and typing on the phone. Thanks. Marty
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