Annealing for $15?

[Endyo]

Thoughts on the Anneal Rite. Basically two propane torches on a piece of brass. No rotation. Will this anneal evenly enough to not cause problems? It seems fast and easy. I'm not a fan of the drill method.



There's a DIY version here with parts costing $15. I already have a torch and several bottles.

I'm trying to go cheap on annealing as I've gone expensive on virtually everything else.

 

[dkhunt14]

I think you would be better off building one of those Skip's anealer's. It is better to spin the case and have a way of mechanically timing the case in the flame. Matt

 

[Endyo]

That's what I was expecting to hear, but I was hoping I could cheat on this one. I'm not mechanical enough to build a spinning machine and I don't want to spend $500 on a Giruad or Benchsource, etc.

 

[CaptainMal]

Yah know, I like that.

 

[Endyo]

I'm just gonna try it for the time being. It's a lot faster and easier to use than the drill method. I'm sure I'll eventually upgrade.

 

[aloreman]

got my annealeaze set up and running great machine for 275

 

[22DASHER]

I'm just gonna try it for the time being. It's a lot faster and easier to use than the drill method. I'm sure I'll eventually upgrade.

It will work just fine. You don't need anything special to anneal brass. All other methods will just make your life easier and yield more consistent annealing from piece to piece.

 

[gotcha]

It won't take you long to realize the draw backs of the anneal-rite. Consistency is its biggest down fall. Couple the tedious positioning of the propane tanks with the PIA of putting Tempilac inside the case necks each & every time. Then, heaven forbid that you accidently bump one of the components out of position..... Save your money & buy the Annealeez machine.

 

[Endyo]

I've strongly considered an Annealeez.

Watching the videos the wheel that the case spins on seems to have a coating that helps "grip" the case so it'll rotate. This also seems to cause the case to wobble.

Adjustments seem mostly straight forward but still mildly annoying.

While the machine is probably more consistent than the drill method or this set up If I'm going to spend $300 I'd want it to be pretty dang solid.

 

[Endyo]

Gotcha,

I'm assuming you've used an Anneal-Rite? Couldn't you get a metronome after you figured out your burn rate and go by time?

 

[Mozella]

..... snip........ I'm not mechanical enough to build a spinning machine ...... snip...........

I'll take your word for it, even though I find it hard to believe that anyone who can hand-load couldn't built a "Skip Design" annealing machine. Thanks to the Internet, various builders have published complete plans, parts lists, sources, and countless hints and tips.

Why don't you get together with a fellow shooter who IS a DIY type (and perhaps has already invested his spare funds in cheap whiskey and trashy women) and offer to buy the components if he will build a pair of machines? They're certainly cheap enough and they really are dead easy to build for anyone with access to a simple table-top drill press.

The only scientific paper on the subject of case annealing has shown that the drill/torch method produces inconsistent results and the author concludes that not annealing is better than inconsistent annealing.

 

[Baddog0302]

I'll take your word for it, even though I find it hard to believe that anyone who can hand-load couldn't built a "Skip Design" annealing machine. Thanks to the Internet, various builders have published complete plans, parts lists, sources, and countless hints and tips.

Why don't you get together with a fellow shooter who IS a DIY type (and perhaps has already invested his spare funds in cheap whiskey and trashy women) and offer to buy the components if he will build a pair of machines? They're certainly cheap enough and they really are dead easy to build for anyone with access to a simple table-top drill press.

The only scientific paper on the subject of case annealing has shown that the drill/torch method produces inconsistent results and the author concludes that not annealing is better than inconsistent annealing.

author concludes that not annealing is better than inconsistent annealing.[/QUOTE]
OK, SOoo just how often does brass need annealing ? Now I can see more often IF you have 100 very selected cases for your
$ 3000.00, 1000 yd "smoke pole", but only about 3 % of the average hand loader / shooters, shoot past 100 yds. So, how ofter ??

 

[dkhunt14]

It depends upon the brass, how much you are sizing and maybe even the cartridge used. I would guess most go 3 to 5 firings and the differences become great. Matt

 

[billlarson]

Thoughts on the Anneal Rite. Basically two propane torches on a piece of brass. No rotation. Will this anneal evenly enough to not cause problems? It seems fast and easy. I'm not a fan of the drill method.

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There's a DIY version here with parts costing $15. I already have a torch and several bottles.

I'm trying to go cheap on annealing as I've gone expensive on virtually everything else.

GREAT JOB........ GOOD SIMPLE METHOD...... ALTHOUGH KNOWING HOW HOT YOU WERE GETTING CASES WOULD BE GOOD...

 

[Endyo]

...Why don't you get together with a fellow shooter who IS a DIY type (and perhaps has already invested his spare funds in cheap whiskey and trashy women)...

Unfortunately those type are busy pursuing those other interests.

Lol.

 

[Lapua40X]

... anyone who can hand-load (should be able to build) a "Skip Design" annealing machine. Thanks to the Internet, various builders have published complete plans, parts lists, sources, and countless hints and tips....
The only scientific paper on the subject of case annealing has shown that the drill/torch method produces inconsistent results and the author concludes that not annealing is better than inconsistent annealing.

The final design of "Skips" machine is my favorite.

It's very easy to build, uses motor speed control to establish a consistent dwell time, it spins the case and the extraordinarily simple pickup/dump mechanism eliminates a lot of those pesky mathematical calculations. I'm hoping to build one. Only change I'd make is to apply Tempilaq for the initial run of each series to establish a proper dwell time.
http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...treating-accessories/tempilaq--prod13124.aspx

 

[Baddog0302]

Unfortunately those type are busy pursuing those other interests.

Lol.

It depends upon the brass, how much you are sizing and maybe even the cartridge used. I would guess most go 3 to 5 firings and the differences become great. Matt

Matt, basically I was inquiring about LC 223 & 308 1 X plus 1 X FGGM and Black Hills / W W match 308 cases. But I could see a "cottage industry" for local shooters, buy one of the EZ anneal machines, do 1k pieces of brass, then offer annealing services to local shooters

 

[dkhunt14]

Matt, basically I was inquiring about LC 223 & 308 1 X plus 1 X FGGM and Black Hills / W W match 308 cases. But I could see a "cottage industry" for local shooters, buy one of the EZ anneal machines, do 1k pieces of brass, then offer annealing services to local shooters

You are right the farther you shoot the more it shows. I anneal every time. but I am looking for the ultimate consistency. Annealing does a few things.

It makes the brass soft and consistent so it bumps the same amount.
It makes the brass softer so you get more consistent bullet seating and releases.
It makes the brass last longer (saves necks from splitting)
It also helps the chamber seal off better giving more consistent velocities.

These are some of the things that annealing does. matt

 

[DJSBRS]

You are right the farther you shoot the more it shows. I anneal every time. but I am looking for the ultimate consistency. Annealing does a few things.

It makes the brass soft and consistent so it bumps the same amount.
It makes the brass softer so you get more consistent bullet seating and releases.
It makes the brass last longer (saves necks from splitting)
It also helps the chamber seal off better giving more consistent velocities.

These are some of the things that annealing does. matt

Exactly!

DJ

 

[Mozella]

author concludes that not annealing is better than inconsistent annealing.

OK, SOoo just how often does brass need annealing ? Now I can see more often IF you have 100 very selected cases for your
$ 3000.00, 1000 yd "smoke pole", but only about 3 % of the average hand loader / shooters, shoot past 100 yds. So, how ofter ??[/QUOTE]
Precision counts at 100 yards too, at least some of us who have been bitten by the bug think it does. The factors affecting group size are the same at short distances, but you have to use something more accurate than a coin or carpenters tape to measure it.

So annealing every time is important to me both at 100 yards, even for fun, and at 600 or 1000 yards, the two distances my local range uses for F class and Bench Rest competition.

But, if you were just hunting deer then I suppose once every 4 cycles would be OK.