Alliant Powders

[scpaul]

While going through the Alliant Load Manual on line, I found powders that I've never heard of and can't find in their new products. I was looking through the 7mm section, the larger 7's, I think it was 7 Mag, 7 Ultrs, 7 STW, and 7 Wby. I ran across 2 powders that I'd never heard of, RL-23 and RL-26. I think I've got the numbers right. It seems that there might have been a RL-34 but I'm not sure. Has anyone heard of these powders. Thry are in the loads listed on line but I can't find them any where else. Anybody got any thoughts or ideas? Paul

 

[CJ6]

Good question .I was on their site a couple months back (no Data)after seeing a posting on the release of these powders and they still don't have the data on the web site (as of yesterday).

 

[scpaul]

I've been wanting some RL-33 and some RL-50. I e-mailed and the response didn't say much but assured me that the supply pipeline is getting caught up and I should be seeing some soon. That was about 2 months ago I think. You would that if they have done enough research to have load info that they would be talking it up, unless telling everybody about the RL-33 and 50 a little too soon has taught them a lesson. I know that there's alot of people interested in the 33. I don't know about the 50. I talked with somebody on here that said he already had some 33 and had seen some 50. (BS?) later, Paul

 

[CJ6]

PV has RL 33 and RL 50 in stock.

 

[Nvreloader]

Rl-23 and 26 powders are in the newest QL update. ;D

I will be trying both of them in my 284 and 7mm AI.

Tia,
Don

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Havent heard of them yet. Are these new Alliant powders the next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17?

 

[CJ6]

Yes

 

[sbhooper]

I have used the Re23 in some testing. It was OK and could be used in lieu of Re22 if you can't find it. I like Re22 better, though. I have not tried the Re 26. Re 33 is fantastic in my 26-inch 7 mags with 160 and 175-grain bullets. I have not tried it with 140-class yet, but I think it is better with the heavies.

With Re 33 I got over 3000fps with 175 Hornadys and Partitions using .5 grains under max load as listed by Alliant. My go-to load for the 160 Partitions is still Re 25 over a 160 Partition @3000 fps. It smucks elk.

 

[scpaul]

The people that have seen/bought/used the new Alliant powders (RL-23, 26, 33, and 50) are any of you in the eastern part of the U.S.? It seems that the powders usually show up in the central/western parts of the country before we get them.
I appreciate the info about Powder Valley having some if not all of these new powders. I personally do not believe in or pay the unfair and inflated shipping costs for powders or primers and I understand that I'm paying them indirectly weather I like it or not. I bet somebody would raise hell IF I could and tried to make it myself. I realize that the powder/primer makers didn't have anything to do with them and infact probably spent alot of money lobbying against them.
Is the government is profiting from them?
They are called "Shipping Charges". Wouldn't it be more accurate to call them taxs? Don't the shipping companies get taxed or have to give the charges to the government some way shape or form?
I can't buy enough powder/primers at one time to make it worth ordering them, so I buy locally and support the local businessman.
I do wish that there was some way to spread the new products around with enough volume so that everyone at least has a chance to try it around the same time.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, but it seems this way with alot of things. Ya'll have a good one, Paul

 

[CJ6]

OK Then.....

 

[Ledd Slinger]

The people that have seen/bought/used the new Alliant powders (RL-23, 26, 33, and 50) are any of you in the eastern part of the U.S.? It seems that the powders usually show up in the central/western parts of the country before we get them.
I appreciate the info about Powder Valley having some if not all of these new powders. I personally do not believe in or pay the unfair and inflated shipping costs for powders or primers and I understand that I'm paying them indirectly weather I like it or not. I bet somebody would raise hell IF I could and tried to make it myself. I realize that the powder/primer makers didn't have anything to do with them and infact probably spent alot of money lobbying against them.
Is the government is profiting from them?
They are called "Shipping Charges". Wouldn't it be more accurate to call them taxs? Don't the shipping companies get taxed or have to give the charges to the government some way shape or form?
I can't buy enough powder/primers at one time to make it worth ordering them, so I buy locally and support the local businessman.
I do wish that there was some way to spread the new products around with enough volume so that everyone at least has a chance to try it around the same time.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, but it seems this way with alot of things. Ya'll have a good one, Paul

Don't over-think it Paul. The hazmat fee has been in effect for a long time. Nobody is out to get you....or are they?....Ahhh! Run for the hills! Lol

Just messin around

 

[Coolhand]

Havent heard of them yet. Are these new Alliant powders the next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17?

Sorry for butting in Guys , but I was interested in the comment "next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17? "


I have just acquired some RL15/17 and have not used either before , so just how sensitive are they? I just looked on the Alliant site but could not find any info in the MSDS or product page.

Mike.

 

[liltank]

Havent heard of them yet. Are these new Alliant powders the next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17?

Sorry for butting in Guys , but I was interested in the comment "next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17? "


I have just acquired some RL15/17 and have not used either before , so just how sensitive are they? I just looked on the Alliant site but could not find any info in the MSDS or product page.

Mike.

15 isn't as sensitive as 17. 15 is fairly stable if you should do load development in the 60's you'll be ok. If you should find a load in the top end of the max pressure load... You'll have to adjust for a 10 degree increase. Load development at 72 will be too much pressure at 85. If you should be in a medium load range of 17, just know your pressure will increase.

 

[Catfur]

Havent heard of them yet. Are these new Alliant powders the next addition to the temp change resistant line like RL15 and RL17?

Yes

I have just acquired some RL15/17 and have not used either before , so just how sensitive are they? I just looked on the Alliant site but could not find any info in the MSDS or product page.
Mike.

No special info inside info to add, just what I've picked up from Alliant news releases, and whatnot:

Old Stuff -
RL 15 is not anything specially formulated for extra temp sensitivity. It is a Bofors (Norma) powder, old formula afaik.
RL 17, RL 33, RL 50 are all Rheinmetall Nitrochemie powders, and are supposed to be slightly more temp resistant than the old Bofors powders.
AR-COMP is a Bofors powder, it is supposed to be specially formulated for improved temp sensitivity.

New Stuff-
RL 23 is a Bofors powder, it is supposed to be like RL22, but formulated with the same (new) process as AR-COMP for improved temp sensitivity.
RL 26 is Nitrochemie powder. Like those, it may be mildly less sensitive than RL 25, but the main improvement is supposed to be better load density.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Ive always been a huge fan of Alliant powders. Have always been able to find good accuracy and speed with most any of their offerings. Though due to temperature sensitivity of most the powders they offer, I currently only use RL15 and RL17 because they seem effected a good bit less.

It would be great if RL23 performed well in different temps and gave me the same excellent results as RL22 has in the past. I have loved the accuracy I always seemed to find with RL22, but it would just drive me nuts when the temperature changed too much because it would definitely effect the accuracy and point of impact of my load due to the speed changes. Hope the new RL23 corrects this issue. I will definitely be giving it a try when I see some available locally.

 

[dkhunt14]

I live in PA and have used RE33 for 2 years now. It gives the most velocity with less pressure in the Big cases like Lapua. It works great with heavy bullets and gives velocity increases of 100 to 150 FPS over powders like H1000 and Retumbo. It also gave great accuracy in the cartridges we put it in. It seems to really like the big capacity cases and heavy bullets for caliber. It also seems to like the bullet very close or into the lands for accuracy. We did a bunch of testing with a 338 REM Ultra IMP, a straight 338 Lapua and a 338 Lapua IMP. The powder gave big velocity increases and lower pressure. The average was around 150 FPS more. The groups we got was around 5 inches or slightly less for 5 shots at 1000 yards. I really didn't shoot it much in hot weather because we use it for hunting guns. In the testing I done it seemed to shoot the same amount of clicks to 1600 yards whether it was 40 degrees of 20 degrees or less. Matt