Wow. I bought 1lb last week at my LGS for 34.Friend sent me this from a local hardware store.![]()
get 700X instead, my father was a bullseye shooter in his day and he loved 700XI saw a pound of Bullseye for $52 the other day when I was buying a pound of Accurate 1680 for $32.
If it gets down to $5 a pound, I will holler calf rope and buy some. lol!Wouldn't buy the stuff if it was $5 a #. Will be using Vit where ever possible.
And that is $5 CD 3.70 USDIf it gets down to $5 a pound, I will holler calf rope and buy some. lol!
That is probably that VVT was on the high end of prices and now prices have caught up to them, nice thing is as we try their powders we just might find some of them superior to what we had been using.Alliant grades come from three sources:
1) Most Re grades from Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (which also produces all Norma marque powders)
2) A minority of Re grades (i/c Re17) from Nitrochemie Wimmins in Switzerland
3) All ball-technology powders from the General Dynamics' St. Marks Powder Co. plant in Florida
Only St Marks isn't directly affected by the ammunition components crisis caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Finland (which has just joined NATO and will shortly switch cartridges to 5.56/7.62 requiring a complete reinventory and replacement of its ammunition stocks) and Sweden are tooling up like nobody's business and sucking up vast quantities of powder for loading military smallarms ammo. (if you lived just across the Baltic Sea from Russia, you'd tool up too!)
Nitrochemie is half owned by RUAG, the large European engineering and ammo producer which uses large quantities of Nitrochemie propellants. I don't know what they're doing right now, but it's a pretty safe bet that as the primary supplier of ammunition to European governments, it has seen a huge increase in orders.
AFAIK Eurenco Bofors handloading products (Norma, Bofors, and Alliant) have all dried up entirely. Over here in the UK, we saw no Reload Swiss (Nitrochemie) handloading powders for over a year, but limited supplies have recently restarted rather sporadically.
No product = no supply; nothing in the shops.
Limited supply = higher prices, the usual 'law' of supply vs demand.
Nammo Vihtavuori Oy has doubled its output over the last 18 months and despite seeing a large increase in European military demand, has so far managed to keep supplies going to the handloading market.
I think it's pretty clear that Vista wants you to go away. They want to sell loaded ammo, not components. Loaded ammo is far more profitable (in total $ even if not by margin).Maybe instead of "singing to the choir" about their prices, you should send a letter, now before you say it, yes one letter might not do mush but a 100,000 letters about how your going to their competitors just might wake someone up.
Vista is selling out, hell of a theory you got there if I want my selling price to go down.I think it's pretty clear that Vista wants you to go away. They want to sell loaded ammo, not components. Loaded ammo is far more profitable (in total $ even if not by margin).
They clearly don't want to be competitive in the powder space, but don't want to give it up altogether probably because they have exclusive agreements with companies like Norma, Rheinmetall, and others, and if they abandon the market altogether they will lose that exclusivity and possibly some of their normal allocation of OEM powder.
Vista wants you-the-handloader to go away. You are a teeny, tiny distraction from the big profits.Vista is selling out, hell of a theory you got there if I want my selling price to go down.
you missed the first part, VISTA IS SELLING IT'S AMMO BUSSINESS , if the stock holders accept the offer, it will be sold in Aprill 24 to the guy that owns CCIVista wants you-the-handloader to go away. You are a teeny, tiny distraction from the big profits.
Vista doesn't want you-the-loaded-ammo purchaser to go away. They want $$$$ for their ammo division on the basis of astronomical ammo sales, handloading components are a rounding error in a forgotten margin somewhere in a lost spreadsheet for this.
It's a four hour drive to Chattanooga but I would sell you up to six lbs of Unique for $25.00 per.Id like to find some 2400 and unique locally. My LGS has power pistol and blue dot at $55/lb. He told me his suppliers are increasing all his prices at the first of the year and on all ammo across the board. He said he order $100k in ammo last week as he has never lost money on it.