Alliant powder prices

[FNSafari]

RL 19 in my .308 Norma Mag is the best. I have about 3lbs of it and that should last me a Loooooong time as she ain't no bench rifle!

 

[bsekf]

Alliant priced themselves out of my reloading room. I've been trying Staball and am satisfied. Where is the 4895? Is there anything else that is that versatile?

 

[SeabeeKen]

Friend sent me this from a local hardware store.

 

[rijndael]

I just bought 24# of Shooters World powders ... I'm going to pass on these other brands (like Alliant) for now.

I paid $303 / 8#.

 

[Camper]

Friend sent me this from a local hardware store.

Wow. I bought 1lb last week at my LGS for 34.

 

[js2013]

I remember when VV powders where the most expensive, now they’re one of the less expensive powders. I tried some N165 and like it! I’ll be switching more VV powders.

 

[Larryh128]

Midsouth has or maybe had RL-17 a couple days ago.

 

[cmysix]

I saw a pound of Bullseye for $52 the other day when I was buying a pound of Accurate 1680 for $32.

get 700X instead, my father was a bullseye shooter in his day and he loved 700X

 

[Cecil S.]

I need to find a match for Blue Dot loading for 12ga.. I am fat with Accurate powders and Alliant but will not cave in to this "Raping"! WTF!

 

[Murray Brook]

Wouldn't buy the stuff if it was $5 a #. Will be using Vit where ever possible.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Wouldn't buy the stuff if it was $5 a #. Will be using Vit where ever possible.

If it gets down to $5 a pound, I will holler calf rope and buy some. lol!

 

[Murray Brook]

If it gets down to $5 a pound, I will holler calf rope and buy some. lol!

And that is $5 CD 3.70 USD

 

[cmysix]

Maybe instead of "singing to the choir" about their prices, you should send a letter, now before you say it, yes one letter might not do mush but a 100,000 letters about how your going to their competitors just might wake someone up.

 

[cmysix]

Alliant grades come from three sources:

1) Most Re grades from Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (which also produces all Norma marque powders)
2) A minority of Re grades (i/c Re17) from Nitrochemie Wimmins in Switzerland
3) All ball-technology powders from the General Dynamics' St. Marks Powder Co. plant in Florida

Only St Marks isn't directly affected by the ammunition components crisis caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Finland (which has just joined NATO and will shortly switch cartridges to 5.56/7.62 requiring a complete reinventory and replacement of its ammunition stocks) and Sweden are tooling up like nobody's business and sucking up vast quantities of powder for loading military smallarms ammo. (if you lived just across the Baltic Sea from Russia, you'd tool up too!)

Nitrochemie is half owned by RUAG, the large European engineering and ammo producer which uses large quantities of Nitrochemie propellants. I don't know what they're doing right now, but it's a pretty safe bet that as the primary supplier of ammunition to European governments, it has seen a huge increase in orders.

AFAIK Eurenco Bofors handloading products (Norma, Bofors, and Alliant) have all dried up entirely. Over here in the UK, we saw no Reload Swiss (Nitrochemie) handloading powders for over a year, but limited supplies have recently restarted rather sporadically.

No product = no supply; nothing in the shops.
Limited supply = higher prices, the usual 'law' of supply vs demand.

Nammo Vihtavuori Oy has doubled its output over the last 18 months and despite seeing a large increase in European military demand, has so far managed to keep supplies going to the handloading market.

That is probably that VVT was on the high end of prices and now prices have caught up to them, nice thing is as we try their powders we just might find some of them superior to what we had been using.

 

[Catfur]

Maybe instead of "singing to the choir" about their prices, you should send a letter, now before you say it, yes one letter might not do mush but a 100,000 letters about how your going to their competitors just might wake someone up.

I think it's pretty clear that Vista wants you to go away. They want to sell loaded ammo, not components. Loaded ammo is far more profitable (in total $ even if not by margin).

They clearly don't want to be competitive in the powder space, but don't want to give it up altogether probably because they have exclusive agreements with companies like Norma, Rheinmetall, and others, and if they abandon the market altogether they will lose that exclusivity and possibly some of their normal allocation of OEM powder.

 

[cmysix]

I think it's pretty clear that Vista wants you to go away. They want to sell loaded ammo, not components. Loaded ammo is far more profitable (in total $ even if not by margin).

They clearly don't want to be competitive in the powder space, but don't want to give it up altogether probably because they have exclusive agreements with companies like Norma, Rheinmetall, and others, and if they abandon the market altogether they will lose that exclusivity and possibly some of their normal allocation of OEM powder.

Vista is selling out, hell of a theory you got there if I want my selling price to go down.

 

[Catfur]

Vista is selling out, hell of a theory you got there if I want my selling price to go down.

Vista wants you-the-handloader to go away. You are a teeny, tiny distraction from the big profits.

Vista doesn't want you-the-loaded-ammo purchaser to go away. They want $$$$ for their ammo division on the basis of astronomical ammo sales, handloading components are a rounding error in a forgotten margin somewhere in a lost spreadsheet for this.

 

[cmysix]

Vista wants you-the-handloader to go away. You are a teeny, tiny distraction from the big profits.

Vista doesn't want you-the-loaded-ammo purchaser to go away. They want $$$$ for their ammo division on the basis of astronomical ammo sales, handloading components are a rounding error in a forgotten margin somewhere in a lost spreadsheet for this.

you missed the first part, VISTA IS SELLING IT'S AMMO BUSSINESS , if the stock holders accept the offer, it will be sold in Aprill 24 to the guy that owns CCI

 

[brokeasajoke]

Id like to find some 2400 and unique locally. My LGS has power pistol and blue dot at $55/lb. He told me his suppliers are increasing all his prices at the first of the year and on all ammo across the board. He said he order $100k in ammo last week as he has never lost money on it.

 

[BCR1]

Id like to find some 2400 and unique locally. My LGS has power pistol and blue dot at $55/lb. He told me his suppliers are increasing all his prices at the first of the year and on all ammo across the board. He said he order $100k in ammo last week as he has never lost money on it.

It's a four hour drive to Chattanooga but I would sell you up to six lbs of Unique for $25.00 per.

Bill