Alec Baldwin Case Status

[M-61]

The chasm is so deep I don't know how we will ever crawl out of it. Everyday new bad news tops the previous headlines. FNC forced to pay near $1 B for a "unprovable" fraud claim while the rest of MSM put out unvetted news daily. I don't know how we can last another 640 days.

I agree with you.
But lost on the 640 days.

 

[varget204]

Bullet Proof Vests Now Required to Watch All Alex Baldwinn Movies

 

[drop_point]

Bullet Proof Vests Now Required to Watch All Alex Baldwinn Movies

Wouldn't that be a good protest? Every gun owner in America goes to the Rust opening night in a plate carrier.

 

[Brians356]

Semantics. There is no manslaughter charge in the Good Book.

There's no "Good Book" reference in the US Constitution or in American jurisprudence.
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[69mach]

just more evidence of the corrupt two tier legal system.

 

[drop_point]

There's no "Good Book" reference in the US Constitution or in American jurisprudence.
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I don't care. I don't look at jurisprudence for a guiding light of morality. Man's law is nothing but a tool bent to facilitate the will of the powerful. Nothing less, nothing more.

 

[Brians356]

I don't care. I don't look at jurisprudence for a guiding light of morality.

That was already patently obvious, but thanks for reiterating. So in purely moral terms, you feel certain Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and deliberately murdered the victim. Good to know, for what it's worth.
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[LHSmith]

I agree with you.
But lost on the 640 days.

Regime change -hopefully.

 

[M-61]

Regime change -hopefully.

Thanks for your reply.
Though I want it, unfortunately I don’t think it’s a reality. Do to a hopelessly split Republican Party I think a change may be unrealistic. A sorrowful thought.

 

[LHSmith]

So ‘mind reading’ is a now a defense?

It has now been well established that a legitimate defense can be made with the argument of "it depends on what the definition of "is" -is? Works for some people.

 

[M-61]

That was already patently obvious, but thanks for reiterating. So in purely moral terms, you feel certain Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and deliberately murdered the victim. Good to know, for what it's worth.
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That’s not what I understood him to write at all re Baldwins knowledge regarding the weapon.
More importantly what he knew, or as you previously said “ thought” is totally irrelevant.
Your last sentence is your typical sarcasm .

 

[M-61]

It has now been well established that a legitimate defense can be made with the argument of "it depends on what the definition of "is" -is? Works for some people.

Yeah, Bill Clinton

 

[wedgy]

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the film’s armorer, who loaded the gun the day of the shooting and was responsible for weapons on the set of the western, was also charged with involuntary manslaughter in the case. One of her lawyers, Jason Bowles, said that the charges against Ms. Gutierrez-Reed remained.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/14/...on=CompanionColumn&contentCollection=Trending​

Filming on the movie is set to resume this week in Montana, where the production has moved from New Mexico. The revived production has Ms. Hutchins’s widower, Matthew Hutchins, as an executive producer.


You just cannot make the stuff up!!!!

CW

I read there was no money in the "Rust" company/corporation to go after and the only way to get money for his son was to take part ownership of the movie and hope it makes a profit. Maybe he can show Alec how he wants a scene shot and return the favor.

 

[drop_point]

That was already patently obvious, but thanks for reiterating. So in purely moral terms, you feel certain Baldwin knew the gun was loaded and deliberately murdered the victim. Good to know, for what it's worth.
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I believe Baldwin took what he knew was a deadly weapon, did not determine if it was loaded or not, pointed it at a human being, and pulled the trigger. But thanks for making snarky statements which you presume intent which you knew wasn't the case. Speaking of snark, you bring up the US Constitution as if it has some bearing on state criminal code. Strange indeed.

But I guess that if I don't know my BAC is 0.10, and I get in the car and drive, I can tell the cop I didn't know it was that high and he'll see to it I'm not charged.

 

[jonbearman]

I said from Day one he would beat the charges because he is super rich and people stepped up to say what a great guy he is,LOL

 

[davidjoe]

I don't care. I don't look at jurisprudence for a guiding light of morality. Man's law is nothing but a tool bent to facilitate the will of the powerful. Nothing less, nothing more.

I think our liberties here, like 2A, put more trust in the individual, average man and woman, as opposed to the “powerful”, than any other country’s government does, or has ever done. It also entrusts the armed “collective us” to follow good judgment. Other countries don’t leave such things to chance. It’s hard to see how doing this ensures the will of the powerful.

The Alamo was defended with less material capability that we are each entitled to have, all to ourselves, if that’s our desire. Judges, the population and politicians since the Bill of Rights have overseen the 2A keeping up with firearms, really well imo. A handgun back then shot a ball and was often survivable, as it was at least a symbolic means of resolving disagreements. We aren’t stuck with those, or with their versions of rifles.

It’s also resilient, here. We see idiots shooting cheerleaders that accidentally got into their car instead of their friend’s, or retrieved a rolling basketball. Those, there, are much better examples of a person fully triggered, looking to “murder” someone. But the Second will survive that, because we don’t judge a liberty solely by its misuse. Other countries tally strikes on a blackboard. Their countdown clock is in full swing, look ant Canada, and I can’t even remember a different Mexico, and I’m certain they think they have social and biblical morality on their side.

 

[Rocketvapor]

What is this "modified Trigger" that showed up in the media?
Did the FBI do a good test of the gun to see if the half cock really worked?
How about gun experts commenting on the same model, but not the same gun?

Did the gun have a load out of 5 rattle rounds, and one "Blank/Live round" ?
To determine if the gun was loaded properly would you have to completely unload it, shake the rattle round, inspect the "Blank" then reload all chambers, with the supposed blank in the correct position to be rotated out of sight when the gun was cocked for the camera? Could you examine the blank from the front of the cylinder before cocking and assume it will be out of sight when cocked, once? Would loading all chambers with the expected load out in front of the person that will get the gun be the best way? Checking EVERY round. Every time the gun changes hands unload and reload in view of the person getting the gun.

A real gun, on set, and loaded (every gun is loaded) and the Director sitting so close to the camera, setting up practice for the film shot, should have required a bullet proof shield to protect the expensive camera.
You know, just in case.

Baldwin guilty or not. Procedures just were not adequate for real guns to be in the area.
As far as charges being dropped (for now), the prosecution likely needs more time to evaluate NEW evidence.

 

[drop_point]

I think our liberties here, like 2A, put more trust in the individual, average man and woman, as opposed to the “powerful”, than any other country’s government does, or has ever done. It also entrusts the armed “collective us” to follow good judgment. Other countries don’t leave such things to chance. It’s hard to see how doing this ensures the will of the powerful.

The Alamo was defended with less material capability that we are each entitled to have, all to ourselves, if that’s our desire. Judges, the population and politicians since the Bill of Rights have overseen the 2A keeping up with firearms, really well imo. A handgun back then shot a ball and was often survivable, as it was at least a symbolic means of resolving disagreements. We aren’t stuck with those, or with their versions of rifles.

It’s also resilient, here. We see idiots shooting cheerleaders that accidentally got into their car instead of their friend’s, or retrieved a rolling basketball. Those, there, are much better examples of a person fully triggered, looking to “murder” someone. But the Second will survive that, because we don’t judge a liberty solely by its misuse. Other countries tally strikes on a blackboard. Their countdown clock is in full swing, look ant Canada, and I can’t even remember a different Mexico, and I’m certain they think they have social and biblical morality on their side.

Our system most certainly was designed to entrust the individual with liberty, but sharp-tongued politicians have certainly taken the republic away, or at least eroded it quite severely along the way with things such as direct election of senators (dissolving States' representation), Federal income tax which came with the ability to redistribute tax money back to the States with conditions, or even the absolution of legislative responsibility of Congress in favor of bureaucratic regulation.

In a republic, it matters not who is in power because rights are universally recognized and the State isn't a tool that can be utilized for special interest.

Our government LIES to us continually and the media spreads propaganda to back it up. Corporate interest ensures that you drink the Kool-Aide or you're out. The narrative is swallowed hook, line, and sinker and if you dare deviate, your livelihood taken from you. By the time the next generation takes power, the America we know will be but a distant memory and we will wish we had the miniscule Liberty the Canadians have today.

 

[LarryDScott]

Read somewhere that the gun had a modified trigger installed and the FBI was actually able to get it to fire without a trigger pull.
Is this something you would do for fast fanning?

If it's a fanning pistol, most shooters lock the trigger back. LDS

 

[D Coots]

Regime change -hopefully.

That's what I thought when the big O came up for election the 2nd time.