Aerospike 300 BLK 146 Lulu adventure begins

[HappyHellfire]

Can I address this issue of ego, arrogance, conceit, or other personality faults for a second?

I have a love of knowledge and chose a profession where I can spend a good amount of my time learning about a field I love. The old saying "the more you learn the less you know" applies to me more than most.

I think the disconnect is with my confidence in my bullets. This is not based upon my knowledge or ego, it is based upon statistical analysis. No matter what my personal faults are, I have well over 99% confidence at this point that the bullets do what I say they do. There is no emotion or pride in that statement, just mathematical analysis.

 

[HappyHellfire]

Who's the customer, me or you? How about you make them pretty to convince me to buy some from you and shoot them in my rifle?

Your $70/100 doesn't sound bad price wise, but you're competing with Barnes and Hornady in monolithic bullets. That might not matter if you only plan on selling a few hundred bullets. The Barnes and Hornady bullets I get look nicer.

I am defiantly not a businessman. I don't think of people as customers or resources.

I just want people to see my cool bullets and try them out. I would give them away for free (and I have) but I can't do it for everyone.

I'm just holding my breath for the independent testing data. If my ugly bullets fly as good for other people as they did in my testing I will not have to worry about appearance for long. If they don't I will hopefully get some data to figure out what is wrong and get to work fixing it.

 

[JLT]

Look at the pictures of my bullets on my website. The most critical people are doing honest reviews. Of course they are going to show the worst case images.

Judge the bullets on how they fly and and I will figure out how to make them pretty.

Pretty is nice, but the folks in this community value dimensional consistency very highly because it has an effect on target. The irregularities visible in dellet's pictures are concerning. If the irregularities can be mitigated by modifying your lathe speed and examining your tooling, I believe that would be time well spent in this phase of testing. Pretty can come later so long as the surface finish will not affect on-target performance.

 

[Rset]

I think that there is a significant cultural barrier between me and a large portion of this forum. I have seen this over the years with the shooters I have worked with but it is exaggerated in the forum. I honestly don't know how to fix it.

A great way to get over a cultural barrier is to try not to be superior to your audience.
Try some humility and respect for people who may know more than you do about certain subjects.

 

[Konocti's Wigwam]

I am defiantly not a businessman. I don't think of people as customers or resources.

I just want people to see my cool bullets and try them out. I would give them away for free (and I have) but I can't do it for everyone.

I'm just holding my breath for the independent testing data. If my ugly bullets fly as good for other people as they did in my testing I will not have to worry about appearance for long. If they don't I will hopefully get some data to figure out what is wrong and get to work fixing it.

I think it's kind of you to offer any bullets to people for free, but I'm pointing out that I'm willing to buy them from you, whether you're a businessman or not. I am currently willing to pay $1-$1.50/ea for monolithic bullets.

The most interesting thing to me in this thread is the picture that dellet posted with a 250 grain A-Tip sunk down to the bottom of the case, it made me wonder if I could get 190 grain CX bullets and turn them down myself? That wouldn't work with the A-Tip as it's bonded. By turning down the 190 grain CX, maybe I could adjust the boat tail to get the best performance. And this bring us full circle back to the 300 blackout. It's not as if people have longer magazines, they are limited to the mini-action, so it's not as if one can extend the bullet out further.

Could get possible better ballistics, that A-Tip looks svelte next to that Varmagedon, but companies like Barnes and Hornady do a good enough job that I don't have to worry about it and can spend the same time hunting. I apologize if that sounds selfish.

 

[John Beauchamp]

Can I address this issue of ego, arrogance, conceit, or other personality faults for a second?

I have a love of knowledge and chose a profession where I can spend a good amount of my time learning about a field I love. The old saying "the more you learn the less you know" applies to me more than most.

I think the disconnect is with my confidence in my bullets. This is not based upon my knowledge or ego, it is based upon statistical analysis. No matter what my personal faults are, I have well over 99% confidence at this point that the bullets do what I say they do. There is no emotion or pride in that statement, just mathematical analysis.

Correct me if i'm wrong but it seems you may be just trying to prove a theory rather than trying to make match winning bullets at this point in time.

 

[HappyHellfire]

Correct me if i'm wrong but it seems you may be just trying to prove a theory rather than trying to make match winning bullets at this point in time.

As far as the aerodynamics are concerned, the theory is proven and I will be presenting it at the next ballistics conference in May.

I'm trying to bridge the gap between a theory and a practical application of it. I don't think my bullets will be competition ready for a few years but you have to start somewhere.

My evil plan is to get y'all interested and talking about them. Then one of the big bullet companies starts to take them seriously. Then I can go back to focusing on development again.

But I have already gotten some great ideas from these "discussions" on how to potentially improve the design. I will most likely be working on this for the rest of my life.

 

[HappyHellfire]

A great way to get over a cultural barrier is to try not to be superior to your audience.
Try some humility and respect for people who may know more than you do about certain subjects.

In some ways I am superior. I will put my knowledge of the math behind external ballistics against anyone on here. In other ways I am inferior. I have never shot a target at 1000 yards. My longest practical shot was about 300 yards on my first elk.

The reason I came to this forum was due to the respect for the knowledge contained in it. I need that practical knowledge.

That being said, look at some of the statements I have endured. I'm an engineer, not a diplomat. If I didn't love this field so much I would have given up long ago.

 

[Rset]

In some ways I am superior. I will put my knowledge of the math behind external ballistics against anyone on here. In other ways I am inferior. I have never shot a target at 1000 yards. My longest practical shot was about 300 yards on my first elk.

The reason I came to this forum was due to the respect for the knowledge contained in it. I need that practical knowledge.

That being said, look at some of the statements I have endured. I'm an engineer, not a diplomat. If I didn't love this field so much I would have given up long ago.

Thank you for your reply. I wouldn't use an Aerospike bullet if they had zero drop and wind drift at 1000 yards and you gave them to me. You may be a great engineer, jury is still out, but your brand has lost at least one possible customer due to your vast superiority.
You are like many of the young engineers that I work with. Your read a book, earned a degree or few, and are now an expert without any real life knowledge.
End of replies to any of your posts.

 

[ebb]

Someone mentioned driving bands. It is my understanding that driving bands were added to Barnes bullets because they copper fouled so badly and that the bands were a way to minimize that. I would guess that this could be overcome with a change in the alloy as well, but just a guess. Hornaday GMX bullets are made of the alloy gilding metal the same as jacketed bullets. I am not privy to Hornaday engineers reasoning but assume it was to minimize copper fouling without the driving bands. this fouling issue may have eluded our ballistician. My question to him would be, "Does the smother finish or the rougher finish cause more fouling, or does it have no influence on fouling?"

 

[HonkinDonky]

In some ways I am superior. I will put my knowledge of the math behind external ballistics against anyone on here. In other ways I am inferior. I have never shot a target at 1000 yards. My longest practical shot was about 300 yards on my first elk.

The reason I came to this forum was due to the respect for the knowledge contained in it. I need that practical knowledge.

That being said, look at some of the statements I have endured. I'm an engineer, not a diplomat. If I didn't love this field so much I would have given up long ago.

Thank you for your reply. I wouldn't use an Aerospike bullet if they had zero drop and wind drift at 1000 yards and you gave them to me. You may be a great engineer, jury is still out, but your brand has lost at least one possible customer due to your vast superiority.
You are like many of the young engineers that I work with. Your read a book, earned a degree or few, and are now an expert without any real life knowledge.
End of replies to any of your posts.

Its unfortunate that you have decided to double down on your "superiority". Some people feel the need to tell you how smart they are, others let their actions speak for them. For this reason sir, I too no longer have any interest in your product, or your success. Good day.

 

[Rset]

My evil plan is to get y'all interested and talking about them. Then one of the big bullet companies starts to take them seriously. Then I can go back to focusing on development again.

Last one. Don't feed the troll.

 

[Bill Norris]

Its unfortunate that you have decided to double down on your "superiority". Some people feel the need to tell you how smart they are, others let their actions speak for them. For this reason sir, I too no longer have any interest in your product, or your success. Good day.

Smart move. Heck I lost interest in him and his bullet long ago. He is too superior for us "ol boys"

 

[HappyHellfire]

Someone mentioned driving bands. It is my understanding that driving bands were added to Barnes bullets because they copper fouled so badly and that the bands were a way to minimize that. I would guess that this could be overcome with a change in the alloy as well, but just a guess. Hornaday GMX bullets are made of the alloy gilding metal the same as jacketed bullets. I am not privy to Hornaday engineers reasoning but assume it was to minimize copper fouling without the driving bands. this fouling issue may have eluded our ballistician. My question to him would be, "Does the smother finish or the rougher finish cause more fouling, or does it have no influence on fouling?"

So, I think the secret to fouling is in the type of copper used like you mentioned.

When I started I tried to use pure copper (C1000). It is a pain in the ass to machine and smears like jam down the barrel. I think almost everyone used what is called free machining copper (C145) in their bullets. It forms and molds almost as well as C1000 but it machines almost like aluminum. No deposits I can see in the barrel.

As to the driving bands/gas seal bands/obturator bands, my aerospike theory assumes a smooth flow entering the base. Anything that disturbs that would probably reduce the aerospike effect.

 

[HappyHellfire]

Smart move. Heck I lost interest in him and his bullet long ago. He is too superior for us "ol boys"

You say that but I constantly find you lurking around any post I make!

 

[Rset]

Smart move. Heck I lost interest in him and his bullet long ago. He is too superior for us "ol boys"

Don't feed the troll

 

[Bill Norris]

You say that but I constantly find you lurking around any post I make!

I'm only reading what the guys post. I could care less about what you have to say. Mr Superior.

 

[Rset]

I'm only reading what the guys post. I could care less about what you have to say. Mr Superior.

Let the thread die. Do not feed the troll

 

[Bill Norris]

Let the thread die. Do not feed the troll

Yea not worth it at all.

 

[HappyHellfire]

Yea not worth it at all.

Oh no. Don't go. How will I carry on without you. sniff.