Advice Request - Vihta Vuori

[Idaho-Lefty]

@ ELR LVR,..
THROWN,. near Max. Charges of, Win. 748 "Ball Powder"in, the .223 Rem / 5.56,.. FOR,.. Me !
But, I'm NOT into, BR shooting.
I Just Like, Sub MOA group's from my, Adams Arms 16" Piston Rifle with, 60 gr. NBT's, 65 gr SGK's and 69 gr SMK's !
And,. Win 748, DOES "That" with, All 3 Bullets,.. Well.
Thrown charges of, StaBall 65, in my 6.5 Creed is,.. AWESOME as, Well ! ( For 130 gr to, 143 grain bullets ).
I NEVER, "Weigh" Charges of Powder, IF,. I DON'T, absolutely,.. HAVE, to !

 

[ballisticdaddy]

I utilize Viht N-140 as a direct replacement for Varget in many calibers and had good success.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

N-160 with, 87 gr. Berger H-VLD's, @ 3,187 FPS in, a .243 Win IS,.. a Deer Stompin' Load that, Shoot's "Small" in grandsons, 22.4" Tikka T-3 and He has, a Couple of, real Nice, Muley Rack's, on the Wall to,.. PROVE,. It.
My son shot, a 5 shot, .277 Ctr / Ctr group with, this Rifle / Load.

 

[jpjulian]

With Hornady or Nosler 55's I generally load H335 or TAC, but, VV-N135 works well for me in the 6 .223's I load for.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I shot UBR with a 223 last year. In my testing with 52 gr Bergers, N-135 shot best in this 40X rifle 14 twist. It didnt like N-133 all that much. I placed 13th nationally in modified with only 10 matches.
With that said, my AR-15 prefers N-133 with 52 gr in the 8 twist. I'd test with both to see what yours likes.

real good info, thks.

 

[nakneker]

N133 would be my choice, I use quite bit of it in 223, 222 and others with those bullet weights. I’ve been using more and more VV powders. Accurate and the lot to lot consistency has been really good in a variety of their powders. The biggest thing is availability. Pricing isn’t bad either compared to the latest price hikes by the other powder guys.

Whidden has good pricing day in and day out, I wish they carried more of the VV line.


https://www.whiddengunworks.com/product/vihtavuori-n133-smokeless-gun-powder-8lb/

 

[Gabe22BR]

Looking for an alternative to Varget and H4895

My burn rate chart has N140 stacked w/ Varget
N135 / H4895

Now your chart must different from mine looking at Hodgdon site .


Believe I’d try the N530 & N150

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

My burn rate chart has N140 stacked w/ Varget
N135 / H4895

Now your chart must different from mine looking at Hodgdon site .

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Believe I’d try the N530 & N150

n530 has been discontinued because it sucked. nothing to gain over n133/n135. I wish they would come out with another n53x powder that was like n133 with nitro infused.

 

[Gabe22BR]

n530 has been discontinued because it sucked. nothing to gain over n133/n135. I wish they would come out with another n53x powder that was like n133 with nitro infused.

Only leaves to options then doesn’t it ??

 

[Benchrest Braxton]

Only leaves to options then doesn’t it ??

yessir

n140 = varget
n135 = 4895
n130 = 4198

 

[Gabe22BR]

yessir

Glad we looking at the same chart..

Probably have same powders setting on shelf..

 

[Coyote-conquest]

I've been debating the same for .223, 20 prac, 6.5 Grendel and a few other calibers but it seems all the data I find has all the VV powders shooting slow compared to other powders

 

[Murray Brook]

In my use of N-135 and N-140 in my 6br with 64-75 gr bullets I find them both faster than the burn rate chart suggests. JMO

 

[Laurie]

In my use of N-135 and N-140 in my 6br with 64-75 gr bullets I find them both faster than the burn rate chart suggests. JMO

That applies to many Viht powders, especially the older products. I've found this with N135, N140, N150/550, and N160 in a wide range of applications. Some burn rate charts show N135 as 'slower' than both VarGet and H4895 which is nonsense in practice. (N135 is frequently shown too as only a hair 'quicker' than N140 - just look at Viht's maximum charges for the pair across a range of cartridges and bullet weights to see there is a considerable difference between them.)

N150/550 are shown as equivalents to the 4350s - they're not which is why the 'quicker' of the pair, N150, is widely used in 308 Win with charges very close to those for VarGet. N160 is frequently shown as equivalent to IMR-4831, whilst I and others find it closer to IMR-4350.

 

[20 TAC]

I am finding identical charges of my lots of Varget and N-150 to be within 40-50 fps of each other in 25 Creedmoor with bullets ranging from 85-115 grain.

 

[RabbitSlayer]

There are a bunch of alternative powders for the .223. N133 is one but also Ramshot Xterminator, and Tac, CFE 223, BL-C(2), H322, H335, 10X. I've used all of these to good effect. You should be able to find one of these available.

Xterminator has so far worked just as well maybe a little better than n133 for me With 53 vmax. I like the price too.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Xterminator has so far worked just as well maybe a little better than n133 for me With 53 vmax. I like the price too.

I’ve been using it too for the gas gun. Kind of a economical choice at 23.3 behind a 55 Hornady soft point.

 

[RabbitSlayer]

I’ve been using it too for the gas gun. Kind of a economical choice at 23.3 behind a 55 Hornady soft point.

Thats what i use it for too, but now im fire forming 223 ai with it and its shooting great. I also loaded 250 with blem vmax and in another 223 bolt to just break her in and make sure its a shooter before switching to n133. It did great with that too.

 

[ISS]

Just buy it in 8lb jugs.