Actions for 6BR through ?

[Changeling]

Thanks Mark, that gives me more insight into things. Is the new Krieger 26" barrel still like the 2975 fps area or has it's preference changed any because of length?

I just wish BAT would get there act together on having someone design them a website with pictures, realistic comments, and complete dimensions/weights of there product line.

When they neglect this simple type of thing these days, it kind of implies they really don't care any more!

I don't know who Mike Davis is Mark.

 

[MarkS]

Changeling,

I see action specs on BAT site http://www.batmachine.com/products/products.htm click on any red lettering and pics will pop up.

Mike Davis is a shooter and my gunsmith http://www.daviscustomrifle.com/

The new 26" likes 2975 f/s. I worked up the load at the range. The load that shot the best ran 2975 f/s on the money.

Mark

 

[mr45man]

Before you decide, look at the Bat 3lug.
Its a little big for a br but when you want go to a 284 ish case you can.
John H.

 

[Judd]

I don't shoot IBS stuff...I shoot local clay matches and we have lots of time to fire 10 shots per round.

I don't ever let my brass eject to the bench...I put my left hand over the right port and pull them out.

dkhunt worked with me and we determined I do have a Sako extractor in mine and is one reason I don't have issues ejecting...the other being I'm not firing 5 shots in 20 seconds.

FWIW...I have a dasher and a BRX and they both shoot the same speed...not a hill of beans between them in my opinion. I had the dasher first and would've went with another but thought it would be easier to keep the brass separate if they weren't identical.

 

[Changeling]

Thanks for the reply Mark, I wish you the best of luck with the new barrel.
I just went to the BAT link, I could click on the red letters of "one" action and get information. Then Clicking on another action did absolutely nothing!!

Thanks Judd, the things you and Mark have told me will surely help my decisions.

Changeling,

I see action specs on BAT site http://www.batmachine.com/products/products.htm click on any red lettering and pics will pop up.

Mike Davis is a shooter and my gunsmith http://www.daviscustomrifle.com/

The new 26" likes 2975 f/s. I worked up the load at the range. The load that shot the best ran 2975 f/s on the money.

Mark

 

[rlandrum]

I like my 6mm BR BAT. The only downside to it, so far, is that it contains a right ejector, rather than no ejector. I hate losing brass, even when I don't plan on reusing it, simply because it helps me identify where I can make adjustments in my load. The ejector isn't terribly powerful, but it does fling them if my hand isn't there to catch it, and if you're trying to get 10 shots in 5 minutes, you're moving quickly, even more so in the 3 in 1 comps.

 

[dkhunt14]

I number my cases with a sharpie like s1 to s8 for sighters and 1 to 10 for records. They never get mixed up and I put them back in the box in order. I lay a towel down to catch them so they don't get away or fall on the stones. Matt

 

[johara1]

I do pretty good with a Bat B at 1000 yds. The 3" port lets you get them in easy And it ejects them right beside the gun. I see no need for a larger action for a Dasher and sure don't want a shorter one, I don't see any other 6mm will shoot with a Dasher at 600 or 1000. Get the roller cocking piece and be sure to let them know it is going to be for a Dasher, so you get the Sako extractor and not the one on the lug……… Jim O'Hara

 

[Changeling]

I do pretty good with a Bat B at 1000 yds. The 3" port lets you get them in easy And it ejects them right beside the gun. I see no need for a larger action for a Dasher and sure don't want a shorter one, I don't see any other 6mm will shoot with a Dasher at 600 or 1000. Get the roller cocking piece and be sure to let them know it is going to be for a Dasher, so you get the Sako extractor and not the one on the lug……… Jim O'Hara

Hi Jim, you said " I sure don't want a shorter one than a BAT B". Could you please explain that to me because I really don't understand. This is the kind of information I need.

Could you also explain the "Rollar Cocking Piece", I'm new, have no idea what that means!

This is the kind of information that could keep me from making a costly mistake, and I really appreciate your bring it up.
Thank you.

 

[dkhunt14]

Jims right and another reason for a B is you might want something different down the road like a 6 or 6.5 47. You can even make it a switch barrel. Matt

 

[lpreddick]

here's a vote for stiller. i have 4 and you get a discount if you buy more than one. the stiller predator comes as a single shot, coned bolt face and no ejector...a sako type extractor. he has them as left port, right bolt and they are slick! i don't compete, but i have 2 22 BRS, a 6 BR and a 6x45. they will shoot in the ones routinely and occ in the zeros. stiller's website has a lot of phtos and very detailed description of all his actions. cost is a bit less than a BAT. additional cost for the pinned recoil lug, picatiney rail and jewell trigger.

 

[Changeling]

I seem to be catching on quickly to everything you guys are saying, but every time I turn a corner there are new associated questions, I hope you understand and bear with me.

The BAT "B" action looks right, now that I listen to the things you guys have been saying!
All my life I have used the conventional "port" configuration, right bolt, right ejection like one would see on a standard REM 700.
Now, with a custom/BAT action I find I can have alternatives. Do any of you see an advantage to other than the "Conventional" configuration?

Another thing that is bugging me is the rules for 1000 yd shooting. I watched a guy on You tube shooting what they said was 1000 yd., but he was basically setting up his rifle and feeding it ammo as fast as he could, for some period of time! I don't call this shooting!

I thought shooting 1000 yd entailed ones shooting at that distance with plenty of time to read wind flags and make his/her shots, am I wrong, or was this a different kind of 1000 yd competition? This is very important to me.

 

[TonyR]

I seem to be catching on quickly to everything you guys are saying, but every time I turn a corner there are new associated questions, I hope you understand and bear with me.

The BAT "B" action looks right, now that I listen to the things you guys have been saying!
All my life I have used the conventional "port" configuration, right bolt, right ejection like one would see on a standard REM 700.
Now, with a custom/BAT action I find I can have alternatives. Do any of you see an advantage to other than the "Conventional" configuration?

Another thing that is bugging me is the rules for 1000 yd shooting. I watched a guy on You tube shooting what they said was 1000 yd., but he was basically setting up his rifle and feeding it ammo as fast as he could, for some period of time! I don't call this shooting!

I thought shooting 1000 yd entailed ones shooting at that distance with plenty of time to read wind flags and make his/her shots, am I wrong, or was this a different kind of 1000 yd competition? This is very important to me.

The rapid fire string shooting you are describing is done by some Benchrest shooters. They are given a period of time to shoot some sighters then another period in which to shoot 5 or 10 rounds for record. These are measured for group size and/or score. Soe of these BR matches are held at 1000 yards while others are held at 100, 200, 300 and 600 yards. Some people feel hat "non-tradional" port configurations speed up their shooting during the record period.

F-Class appears to be similar to BR except it is fired from the ground; however it is different in that every shot is scored before the next shot is taken and there are not separate time periods for sighters and record rounds. F-Class shooters don't worry as much about speed because every shoot is scored before the next one is taken; however, some F-Class shooters prefer non-traditional port configuration for a variety of other reasons. F-Class matches are shot at 300, 500, 600, 800, 900 and 1000 yards and perhaps others I've never encountered. Prone matches shot from a sling are fired at the same distances as F-Class. I hope this helps with at least some of your questions.

 

[Toby Bradshaw]

Now, with a custom/BAT action I find I can have alternatives. Do any of you see an advantage to other than the "Conventional" configuration?

Opposite loading ports and ejectors are made for speed, so that record shots can be fired quickly in a favorable wind condition.

Another thing that is bugging me is the rules for 1000 yd shooting. I watched a guy on You tube shooting what they said was 1000 yd., but he was basically setting up his rifle and feeding it ammo as fast as he could, for some period of time! I don't call this shooting!

What you were probably watching was someone with a very good bag/rest setup that requires relatively little adjustment (bag squeeze or joystick movement) between shots. The "runner" or "machine gun" strategy is very, very common in benchrest shooting. Believe me, the runners are watching the flags and other wind indicators very carefully before starting their record shots. And it is much harder than it looks to create and use a good bag/rest setup.

If you don't like shooting fast, you can be a "picker" instead of a "runner." Don't expect to beat a "runner" very often unless/until you have supernatural wind doping skills.

If you don't like shooting off rests, there are other disciplines that you could try.

I thought shooting 1000 yd entailed ones shooting at that distance with plenty of time to read wind flags and make his/her shots,

For a "runner," 10-15 seconds is "plenty of time" for 5 shots.

am I wrong, or was this a different kind of 1000 yd competition? This is very important to me.

If it's that important to you, don't buy a single piece of gear until you have gone to a few shoots to check out the equipment, rules, and procedures to see if they appeal to you. You'll learn more in a day at a competition than you can possibly learn by reading this forum (as valuable as it is). More often than not you will be invited to take a few shots with the various rifles being used, and you can find out for yourself what works (and what doesn't) for you.

 

[Changeling]

Big thanks to Toby and Tony for straightening me out.

 

[MarkS]

Changeling,

Both for my custom action guns are Rt bolt Lt port, no ejector. You are looking at the port, works great for the benchrest. I reach in and take the brass out by hand. Both are set up for Long Range Benchrest 17 lb limit.

If want to shoot prone, a Rt bolt, Rt port would work better. I shoot my gun prone, but you need both hands to load and work the bolt.

Mark Schronce

 

[Changeling]

Thanks Mark, that was a help. I'm going to give all of this a lot of thought. I really appreciate your sticking by and answering my questions.

Looking forward to how that short barrel works out you are using also.