Accuracy VS velocities

[Jason Boersma]

.005 off and 54 clicks. It looks perfect and Tom a click is what is on a powder measure

 

[AWLEAPHART]

Which load would you choose for a 100/200 yd match? WHY?

I'm with Tom on this one.
James, going from jammed to .025 off how much did your velocities change?
Anthony L

 

[Jason Boersma]

Tom, use those as spotters at 1000yds!

 

[Jason Boersma]

 

[BartsBullets]

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Long range guys^^^^^^^

Tom

You long range guy use those for face masks?

 

[BartsBullets]

Bart,

Neck ties!


Tom

Yeah! That makes sense! Your wives let you have them for a couple of days to go shoot. Can't strap them on but you can hang them on your neck.

Good thing they don't make you hang them on the back of your jeans from your belt!

 

[BartsBullets]

The problem I could foresee for myself was high centering! So I decide to stick with a more civilized sport.

Should have Alex build me a 10.5 lb rifle so I can take @BartsBullets up on his offer. I would have to have @johara1 help me tune it though. After all this blows over of course

Tom

Don't let that stop your bad-self! Bring your 1000 yard guns to the Nationals. I'll get your targets scored and figure out where you came in with your aggs over the 4 Gun! Let's dance! I've got to warn you though. It's not like Deep Creek. The matches aren't over by 9:00 am!

Bart

 

[BartsBullets]

Hey Bart!

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Hey you're the 1000 yard poster boy! Mr 2 inch! There's only one way to figure all this out! We will shoot all 3 Nationals! C'mon it will be fun! Who is truely the Top Gun?

Ill put up a 1000 bucks! You put up a 1000 bucks! Winner takes all! Same bet goes to all the 1000 yard Deep Creep Killers if they'd like to bet with me! No way a distance impaired short range guy could beat some of the greatest 1000 yard shooters in the world over the course of 3 Nationals!

You beat me and I'll Hand over the cash, shake your hand and tell you you're the baddest SOB I KNOW! Then we can drink a beer and toast the winner!

Who has Balls now???

For the record! They call me Ballzer!

I am Bart Ballzer and I approve this message!


Bart

 

[Jason Boersma]

Reading this is better than watching tv

 

[dmoran]

25-hours later; fallow up reply:





July 16th, 2014, myself and a friend conducted several 100/\1000 tests. We setup “shoot through” paper targets at 100 yards (non-printed newspaper) and then the final target at 1000 yards (4'x8'). Aiming and shooting at the 100 yard target, with the bullets passing through to the final target at 1000 yards (like I have done at many distances over the years, as many of you know).

Group 1 = 7.516" (vertical = 7.345")
Group 2 = 6.149" (vertical = 5.466")
Group 3 = 3.929" (vertical = 2.562")
Group 4 = 9.907" (vertical = 9.738")
Group 5 = 11.274" (vertical = 11.189")

The rifle and shooter was my friend with a 6.5-SLR barrel, with a xxxx brand "tuner brake".
The 5 groups were: 5 separate tuner settings, all from the same load.

Thank you all who replied with your predictions to my 4 questions. Way cool array of predictions !.!.!
Was a couple great predictions, even one that nailed it spot on (hint = Shawn Williams)

Spring planting here, and am to busy to be on here. But more to come.....
Donovan

 

[BartsBullets]

Ballzer,

We probably better go by finish rank rather than an actual aggregate. I don't think there's enough tenths in an inch to make up for the feet you're gonna be down after the first two stages! I'll even do my best to help you, here's the first tip, if I wait, you best forget those dumb ass flags and wait too!


Tom

Are you in Snowflake? First match is 14 Aug at Holton MI. Plenty of time to come by the house. I'll give you some shooting lessons for short range. I'll give you some flag reading tips, but a shooter must be of average intelligence or higher to understand what they are telling you! Super Shoot is 22 May if that works out better for ya!

 

[dmoran]

Round 2 ..... TO: anyone/everyone

Senario 2:

• Pictured below is 3 groups, 3-shots to each, at 100yds (same day - 7/16/2014).
• 6Dasher with a PDT Ezell tuner
• 3 separate tuner settings, each 0.002" apart, from one same load

Questions:

1. which of the 3 would you predict to perform best at 1000yds and why
2. which of the 3 would you predict to perform the worse at 1000yds and why
3. which of the 3 would disperse the worse vertical dispersion at 1000yds

Again, I will give reply back in 24-hours
Donovan

 

[dmoran]

Cool report Donovan, yeah I wasn't even close. Would've thought @savagedasher might have nailed it, as he's the tuner brake guru.


Tom

Tom -
Do those results remind you of what you've seen from tuner brakes? ... (Icky stuff.. lol)

Oh, and remember Larry said he wouldn't of used it for nothing (which I agree with).
But in reality #3 went .38-MOA at 1000yds, which is less MOA at 1000yds then his so called: "tuned load" (.4-MOA at 600yds) that he boasts about in his Post #22 ... lol
Donovan

 

[Jason Boersma]

Donovan, I'm going to say trick question they all shoot the same at 1000 and your tune is just that wide with your tuner. Probably wrong but that's my answer

 

[jamesdmock]

I'd keep them at 5 off and come on the forums and ask wtf a "ckick" is

Tom

Tom, this is the method used by HALL OF FAME shooter Jack Neary. He never weighs powder charges, but uses C-L-I-C-K-S on his Neil Jones powder measure. 55 clicks of N133 is a fairly hot load. Did you choose .005 off because it shot dots??? Which powder charge

Which load would you choose for a 100/200 yd match? WHY?

It seems that the long rangers are very upset by the use of "clicks" to measure the charges. The above picture illustrates a method of tuning by Jack Neary. If any of you don't know Jack, he is a Hall of Fame shooter from Ohio. He is a representative of Vihtavouri powder and he teaches his method at all the big short range BR matches in the country. The reason that "clicks" are used is because Jack never weighs his powder charges. He depends on his Neil Jones measure and observes the results on paper. 50 clicks is a very light charge of N133 with a 68 gr. bullet and 55 is hot.

The above image represents a series of 3-shot groups used by Jack to determine the best seating depth. He looks for a depth that will shoot three different loads into the same relative position on the target. 0.005 inch off of jam does it in this case. With seating depth determined, Jack next tweaks his load with 5-shot groups. He would probably shoot the 55 clicks if it did not show the tendency to be too hot. When a load is too hot, it will spit shots out (normally) low. Good shooting......James

 

[dkhunt14]

Tom, this is the method used by HALL OF FAME shooter Jack Neary. He never weighs powder charges, but uses C-L-I-C-K-S on his Neil Jones powder measure. 55 clicks of N133 is a fairly hot load. Did you choose .005 off because it shot dots??? Which powder charge


It seems that the long rangers are very upset by the use of "clicks" to measure the charges. The above picture illustrates a method of tuning by Jack Neary. If any of you don't know Jack, he is a Hall of Fame shooter from Ohio. He is a representative of Vihtavouri powder and he teaches his method at all the big short range BR matches in the country. The reason that "clicks" are used is because Jack never weighs his powder charges. He depends on his Neil Jones measure and observes the results on paper. 50 clicks is a very light charge of N133 with a 68 gr. bullet and 55 is hot.

The above image represents a series of 3-shot groups used by Jack to determine the best seating depth. He looks for a depth that will shoot three different loads into the same relative position on the target. 0.005 inch off of jam does it in this case. With seating depth determined, Jack next tweaks his load with 5-shot groups. He would probably shoot the 55 clicks if it did not show the tendency to be too hot. When a load is too hot, it will spit shots out (normally) low. Good shooting......James

I believe the last two times I went to Weikert to see Nationals that more guys are checking powder with scales. At least that is what I observed from the guys under the roof. I couldn't see what the ones were doing in their motor homes or loading trailers. I would imagine a bunch were using scales and the enclosed area would help with drafts. Matt

 

[lawman29]

Questions:

1. which of the 3 would you predict to perform best at 1000yds and why
2. which of the 3 would you predict to perform the worse at 1000yds and why
3. which of the 3 would disperse the worse vertical dispersion at 1000yds

1. Best = #8 because it looks like #3 in the previous scenario.
2. Worst = #6 because it looks like something a short-range boy thinks would work...
3. Vertical = #4 because it's already stringing.

 

[tclaunch]

I`ve got to put popcorn on the grocery list. I have went thru all mine reading this stuff!!

I usually learn some shooting skills or methods, I am only learning a few comeback craks for the old lady on this one....lol

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I like where this is going. Tom your action will be here today. Send the check. Ill order a 13.5 twist. Good thing, they were about to turn off the water...

 

[Alex Wheeler]

To be serious for a second I think a good rivalry may help grow the sport.?? I think you all should plan to meet up at the 2018 1000yd IBS Nats...