A story about ammo and no justice with out deep pockets!
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No surprises there. Hornady has a habit of mis-representing products. Look at how they calculatedly lied about the 6.5 needmore and the claims of match grade components and ammo that frankly don't shoot worth a dime.
Principles?
"Friends come and go, enemies accumulate."
Second definition of insanity: "Creating something for which there is no need."
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
"There is always someone ready to separate you from your money if you are not vigilant."
"Believe half of what you see, nothing that you hear unless you verify it."
"Friends come and go, enemies accumulate."
Second definition of insanity: "Creating something for which there is no need."
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
"There is always someone ready to separate you from your money if you are not vigilant."
"Believe half of what you see, nothing that you hear unless you verify it."
I dont want to get too deep or philosophical, Ive nearly been shunned from another forum because of my view of Vmax bullets.
But, you can see this same thing everywhere. The consumers can control this with what they are buying, too many people just blindly follow along.
I dont like it one bit, I spend more to avoid it, I dont shop walmart, Ive never even ordered from amazon, theyre different than a manufacturer like Hornady but... Any time a company has everything available and starts to flood the market, it goes down hill, profits take over, thats on the consumers....
That being said, other than some Hornady products being overused and overinflated by their users, Hornady products ive used and owned is good stuff. Its real easy to get burned these days, I just returned a brand new overpriced RCBS ripoff chinese balance beam, Ive never gotten that from Hornady.
But, you can see this same thing everywhere. The consumers can control this with what they are buying, too many people just blindly follow along.
I dont like it one bit, I spend more to avoid it, I dont shop walmart, Ive never even ordered from amazon, theyre different than a manufacturer like Hornady but... Any time a company has everything available and starts to flood the market, it goes down hill, profits take over, thats on the consumers....
That being said, other than some Hornady products being overused and overinflated by their users, Hornady products ive used and owned is good stuff. Its real easy to get burned these days, I just returned a brand new overpriced RCBS ripoff chinese balance beam, Ive never gotten that from Hornady.
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urbanrifleman
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I used to have no use for Hornady bullets. But somewhere along the line they became great. I won't argue the fact any more. People are going to believe what they want (I have found), but some of the most impressive combinations I'm messing with these days are Hornady bullets.
My take on Hornady:
Their 60 Vmax shoot terrific in my 8" twist 223 Rem Tikka's, even better than Nosler 60 BT's which surprised me since I am a Nosler guy. They also hammer predators, at least in my limited experience with this bullet and critters.
My go to bullets in many yesteryears was Sierra but they seem to have disappear the last few years; correction - many years, so I moved on others such as Hornady which always seem to be available. However, I am still addicted to the Sierra 243 Win 85 BTHP. I just never found anything that comes close to this in overall performance (accuracy / terminal effect) in my 243's.
The Hornady 125 XTP 38 bullets are top notch in my 38 Specials and 357 Magnums. While I scratch my head and maybe something else when I see all the "ARC" cartridges that promise to make Daniel Boone's out of "Joe Weekend Shooter", some of their bullets are my favorites and they seem to almost always be available.
Watching their never-ending PODCASTs takes the patience of a Saint or maybe a few fingers of your favorite adult beverage and when it finishes, if you are still awake, you wonder what the point was.
Sometimes you just have to turn mother's picture to the wall and take the not so desirable with the good.
Their 60 Vmax shoot terrific in my 8" twist 223 Rem Tikka's, even better than Nosler 60 BT's which surprised me since I am a Nosler guy. They also hammer predators, at least in my limited experience with this bullet and critters.
My go to bullets in many yesteryears was Sierra but they seem to have disappear the last few years; correction - many years, so I moved on others such as Hornady which always seem to be available. However, I am still addicted to the Sierra 243 Win 85 BTHP. I just never found anything that comes close to this in overall performance (accuracy / terminal effect) in my 243's.
The Hornady 125 XTP 38 bullets are top notch in my 38 Specials and 357 Magnums. While I scratch my head and maybe something else when I see all the "ARC" cartridges that promise to make Daniel Boone's out of "Joe Weekend Shooter", some of their bullets are my favorites and they seem to almost always be available.
Watching their never-ending PODCASTs takes the patience of a Saint or maybe a few fingers of your favorite adult beverage and when it finishes, if you are still awake, you wonder what the point was.
Sometimes you just have to turn mother's picture to the wall and take the not so desirable with the good.
urbanrifleman
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I don’t blame the guy for being upset.
I shoot hornady for only 1 reason, its in stock, and it is always in stock. It is in stock online and local. When the COVID shortage came, guess what, it was the only thing in stock. If you like to wait a year or more for sierra or berger to do a run while your rifle is a paperweight, go for it. When its always in stock, I don't have to spend several thousand dollars to hoard a lifetime supply either.
shoot4fun
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So, this guy IMO, is blaming the wrong people. BUT, let me say that I tried to watch the entire video and it became so tedious and so meandering that I just couldn't stay with it.
Now, BB Ammo at the time this happened was a small fledgeling company with a "contract" with John Linebaugh to use the Linebaugh name. And the BB guy really liked John, thus why he had this contract.
Steve Hornady called BB Ammo and wanted the Linebaugh business but that's when Steve had already paid for the rights from John to "reverse engineer" ammo.
Who was the bad guy? To me John Linebaugh had an opportunity to grow with a much more solid company (Hornady) over a small one-man shop. Steve didn't steal anything from BB. According to this guys own words he says Steve had already been given the green light to proceed and wanted to BUY some BB ammo to speed up the process of getting to market. If Steve had desired to this in an underhanded way then he would have just had someone order the ammo for him and not be up front about who he was and why he was calling.
One thing we all need to see here. Hornady is still standing on its own two feet! The family still owns it and they have the ability and expertise to do things other similar companies who are no longer in their position can. Take a look around and see who owns Sierra, Berger, Lapua, Remington, etc.
Having had the pleasure of touring the Hornady facility in Grand Island a couple times here is what I saw.
People(AMERICANS), lots of them, working and enjoying what they were doing. Investment, and lots of it, in this country and in those Americans who are supporting the family and the entire region with their work.
End of rant!
Now, BB Ammo at the time this happened was a small fledgeling company with a "contract" with John Linebaugh to use the Linebaugh name. And the BB guy really liked John, thus why he had this contract.
Steve Hornady called BB Ammo and wanted the Linebaugh business but that's when Steve had already paid for the rights from John to "reverse engineer" ammo.
Who was the bad guy? To me John Linebaugh had an opportunity to grow with a much more solid company (Hornady) over a small one-man shop. Steve didn't steal anything from BB. According to this guys own words he says Steve had already been given the green light to proceed and wanted to BUY some BB ammo to speed up the process of getting to market. If Steve had desired to this in an underhanded way then he would have just had someone order the ammo for him and not be up front about who he was and why he was calling.
One thing we all need to see here. Hornady is still standing on its own two feet! The family still owns it and they have the ability and expertise to do things other similar companies who are no longer in their position can. Take a look around and see who owns Sierra, Berger, Lapua, Remington, etc.
Having had the pleasure of touring the Hornady facility in Grand Island a couple times here is what I saw.
People(AMERICANS), lots of them, working and enjoying what they were doing. Investment, and lots of it, in this country and in those Americans who are supporting the family and the entire region with their work.
End of rant!
There is a sucker born every minute.......Principles?
"Friends come and go, enemies accumulate."
Second definition of insanity: "Creating something for which there is no need."
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
"There is always someone ready to separate you from your money if you are not vigilant."
"Believe half of what you see, nothing that you hear unless you verify it."
urbanrifleman
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Excellent post. There are so many aspects to the excellent observations listed here I don't have time at the moment to go point by point.
People will believe whatever they want. It's sad. Any crazy person can go on the internet and claim whatever they want and some people are going to dog pile on it. Could be a total fabrication. No one seems to care.
Amen!
I watched it, but when this guy said he started with a lot of money he had “borrowed”, he began to lose me.
I started to wonder if this video was a pretext for giving his unsolicited version of the story as to why other people may not have gotten paid back. Did he ever say he paid every one back? I hope he did and I missed it.
That whole discussion about him asking for exclusivity of his friend’s cartridges and then trademarking his friend’s name, to own himself doesn’t sit well.
First other people’s money, second use his friend’s cartridge, third ask for exclusivity, and fourth lock in the other person’s name as his legal property, too?
Giving him full benefit of any doubt that this was all expressly authorized, still - what part of this “business” was his, again? And this is without even hearing Mr. Linebaugh’s account, because this fellow made the video after his friend is no longer with us.
Didn’t HE use the words no brotherhood, then after lulling us for a while in his den, say that HE actually filed the lawsuit, (which he lost). But the “brotherhood”?
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Coyotefurharvester
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Decades of legal precedent (civil/criminal) in this country between small and large companies over products, ideas, marketing. I haven't seen or heard anything to push me to boycott Hornady.
My thought was that he claimed this was hundreds of thousands of dollars he stood to lose. But, couldn't / wouldn't pay some guy's airline ticket to testify on his behalf? Really? Going to go against deep pockets in court, but have some wiz bang guy who's testimony will sway the judge in your favor and you can't come up with $1000? I call B.S.
Now, John Linebaugh, if he did as stated in the video strikes me as kind of a turd. But, I am sure there is much more to the story.
Now, John Linebaugh, if he did as stated in the video strikes me as kind of a turd. But, I am sure there is much more to the story.
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