A Second Vista Video
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At least he is answering questions. We probably won't see new lots of primers for 12 months. I'll be interested in seeing the Remington update video he talked about.
mmcu
Gold $$ Contributor
The reloading community is a small segment of their focus. I am certain that you understand this, with the influx of recent gun buyers and their lack of ability to purchase factory ammunition.
I don’t
Yes, he kind of made it sound like primers for the reloading market only existed because of surplus of primers above what ammo production uses. Does he have a clue what precision loading has done for the industry!
Thanks for posting this "timeout". If I didn't see it here I wouldn't of seen it at all.
It is sad that there is no good news here for reloaders. With the market for reloading and new shooters entering daily Vista is really doing themselves a dis-service for a new core group of customers; but, there is much greater profit in producing whole cartridges. Que sera.
It is sad that there is no good news here for reloaders. With the market for reloading and new shooters entering daily Vista is really doing themselves a dis-service for a new core group of customers; but, there is much greater profit in producing whole cartridges. Que sera.
Apparently not. Why don’t you audition for the role of informing him. The stage is all yours!!
bobinpa
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Absolutely!! Target shooters shoot and use a lot more primers than hunters.
From the business side, it makes sense
Hes in the business to sell bullets, brass and primers.
I doubt anyone in this thread buys bullets or brass from any Vista company
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Have you been to a public range? Factory ammo is probably 10x more production than primers only, maybe more. I see guys melt ar handguards and shoot thousands of 9mm ammo per week. Ive seen chrome lined AR barrels smooth inside from tens of thousands of rounds thru them 30-60 at a time.
I always try to buy American, but its pretty darned hard to when the product isn't there. I realize it takes time and an immense investment but how many times does this have to happen before they do something? Around my area the shelves never hit the amount of ammo or supplies they should have after the last shortage.
ronsatspokane
Gold $$ Contributor
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Good lord, what a bunch of crybabies. Let's examine the facts:
1) For every precision shooter there may be as many as a 10,000+ non-prescision shooters. That includes hunters. The dollars we precision shooters and reloaders add to their revenue stream is marginal at best. Still, marginal revenue adds to the bottom line and is the justification for excess production in some areas. None of these companies are a charity dedicated to precision shooting or reloaders. They all have stock holders who expect a return on their investment. If you have a pension, 401k, IRA or buy stocks you may be one of those investors. What kind of return do you want on that investment?
2) Precision shooting has done nothing for the industry. The people who do load development at these companies have tools and resources that we could only dream of. Don't believe me? Visit the Lapua facility in Mesa some day. The people who do the load development have credentials and experience that most do not. They may not develop a load that fits the accuracy nodes of your rifle but that is not what they are in business to do. They are in business to provide ammunition that will fit in the widest variety of chambers possible, be as accurate as possible across that range of chamber dimensions AND not blow the gun up that it is being fired in. It is the height of arrogance to believe that you are doing something for the industry that the industry cannot do much better than you can.
3) Reasonable investment decisions appear to be being made given the dynamics of the market in question. If you have a problem with the supply chain, the time required to ramp up production to meet the needs of the last years market and the 7 million new shooters or the ability of the market to meet your narrow needs then fork over the cash and jump into the business yourself. Perhaps you can show them how their business should be conducted. Put up or shut up.
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All of us should be thankful. Thankful that 7 million first time gun owners have joined our ranks. Do what you can to help them and guide them in a direction that will lead them to the same level of proficiency that you perceive yourself to possess. Doing so will secure the future of our sport where not doing so will insure its demise.
Good lord, what a bunch of crybabies. Let's examine the facts:
1) For every precision shooter there may be as many as a 10,000+ non-prescision shooters. That includes hunters. The dollars we precision shooters and reloaders add to their revenue stream is marginal at best. Still, marginal revenue adds to the bottom line and is the justification for excess production in some areas. None of these companies are a charity dedicated to precision shooting or reloaders. They all have stock holders who expect a return on their investment. If you have a pension, 401k, IRA or buy stocks you may be one of those investors. What kind of return do you want on that investment?
2) Precision shooting has done nothing for the industry. The people who do load development at these companies have tools and resources that we could only dream of. Don't believe me? Visit the Lapua facility in Mesa some day. The people who do the load development have credentials and experience that most do not. They may not develop a load that fits the accuracy nodes of your rifle but that is not what they are in business to do. They are in business to provide ammunition that will fit in the widest variety of chambers possible, be as accurate as possible across that range of chamber dimensions AND not blow the gun up that it is being fired in. It is the height of arrogance to believe that you are doing something for the industry that the industry cannot do much better than you can.
3) Reasonable investment decisions appear to be being made given the dynamics of the market in question. If you have a problem with the supply chain, the time required to ramp up production to meet the needs of the last years market and the 7 million new shooters or the ability of the market to meet your narrow needs then fork over the cash and jump into the business yourself. Perhaps you can show them how their business should be conducted. Put up or shut up.
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All of us should be thankful. Thankful that 7 million first time gun owners have joined our ranks. Do what you can to help them and guide them in a direction that will lead them to the same level of proficiency that you perceive yourself to possess. Doing so will secure the future of our sport where not doing so will insure its demise.
Reality Check 101.....thank you!
Funny how there’s always a group willing to tell some other group on how they should be spending or managing their wealth. I don’t see any of the complainers rushing to turn their pockets inside out, gutting personal savings, gutting retirement plans, robbing the kids education fund or taking out a second mortgage to secure capital so they can finance their own competing business to help rectify the current ”reloading” components supply situation.
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Of course we see your points on the manufacture having to keep afloat and make a profit. I was just trying to say that hand loading supports lots of business too. Such as Berger, Sierra, Hornady, Lyman, RCBS, etc, and lots of other small manufacturers that depend on a supply of primers for their bottom line too.
I would love to read your rationale for that opinion. I assume you do not reload...or possibly sell loaded ammunition?
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