A Second Vista Video

[JimT]

The problem is this isn't the first time this has happened. Three or four times in the last ten years with things taking a year or more to catch up. People on here keep raking people over the coals for not having a lifetime supply of primers or whatever, but the manufacturers get a free ride when they get caught with their pants down. Ive been through this shortage crap before and have plenty but 7 or 8 million new shooters haven't. If, as politics seem to be shaping up, this is going to continue, how long do we have to wait before the manufacturing side wakes up as we were expected to do. Machinery has a long lead in time and then takes a while to get up and running. Maybe these manufacturers actuaries need to sharpen their pencils and take a closer look. Jmho.

I give up!!!!!!!

 

[457ciSBC]

Primer on homemade primers.......have at it.

http://www.aardvarkreloading.com/resources/homemadeprimercourse.pdf

 

[BillJ]

Ever been this expensive?
I bet the "board" would love to "get some" of this?

 

[jsn]

Oops and oops.

Federal Cartridge in Anoka has cut more workers

In all, 172 workers downsized through layoffs and buyouts since about March 1. The Anoka facility cites slow market as the cause.

www.startribune.com

After Deadly Explosion At Lake City Munitions Plant, The Business Of War Proves Costly

Two years after an explosion at a crucial Army factory that is the country’s largest producer of small-caliber ammunition, the underlying cause of...

www.kbia.org

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Oops and oops.

Federal Cartridge in Anoka has cut more workers

In all, 172 workers downsized through layoffs and buyouts since about March 1. The Anoka facility cites slow market as the cause.

www.startribune.com

After Deadly Explosion At Lake City Munitions Plant, The Business Of War Proves Costly

Two years after an explosion at a crucial Army factory that is the country’s largest producer of small-caliber ammunition, the underlying cause of...

www.kbia.org

First one we cant read and the second one is years old on top of being a military facility, and with no wars going on just yet, well you know

 

[Adam in WI]

First one we cant read and the second one is years old on top of being a military facility, and with no wars going on just yet, well you know

I got enough of a glimpse of the first one to see it was from 2017...

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I got enough of a glimpse of the first one to see it was from 2017...

When i seen the headline of the second one and remember when it happened i didnt spend too much time

 

[Mr. Zorg]

As someone who spent a career in domestic manufacturing, even if someone or some group had all the financing and equipment purchasing readily available, I wouldn't count on an administration that stopped any further progress on the Keystone pipeline to grant environmental permits for additional domestic manufacturing of primers or ammunition solely for the civilian market.

Consider the last operating domestic primary lead smelter, not a new facility, ceased such operations in 2013 due to the costs of compliance in an ever changing environmental regulatory environment, and didn't have everything reversed and resume such operations in 2016 - 2020. And that's just lead! Instead we partially refine to lead ore concentrate and spend tons of energy shipping that to places like China and Korea to perform the final steps in the process, then energy to ship the finished lead product back into the US. We even send some of the spent domestic lead acid automobile batteries outside the US to Asia and Mexico for recycling because even including the energy costs to do so, that is able to compete with domestic recycling of those materials. I have zero illusions such facilities outside the US operate in a similar regulatory environment as inside the US.

The domestic environment of the regulatory universe is extremely dynamic and can't be ignored as an important consideration in the domestic business environment.

 

[hpshooter]

"even if someone or some group had all the financing and equipment purchasing readily available, I wouldn't count on an administration that stopped any further progress on the Keystone pipeline to grant environmental permits for additional domestic manufacturing of primers or ammunition solely for the civilian market."

Totally agree with this statement. An additional consideration the manufactures have to consider is that this administration is on record vowing to institute some pretty stringent regulations on gun ownership, some have talked about regulating ammunition and components. Investing in expanding manufacturing facilities at this point would be a huge gamble. The demand is not guaranteed to stay at the current level.

Remember, many of the seven million new gun owners are fear buyers, not shooters. They have their first , and only, gun they will ever own purchased as a security blanket. Most will not train or practice regularly with it and the couple boxes of ammo they purchased with the firearm will be in the bedside table when the heirs are cleaning out the estate years down the road when the purchasers pass.

Just my thoughts and viewpoint but if I was the CEO of Vista it would be front and center in my thinking.

 

[bluealtered]

We are bound by forum rules to not discuss the elephant in the room. When people are scared they do things that in hind sight that they may not have done otherwise.

 

[JimT]

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