7mm Accuracy?

[Terry]

Maybe the guys in WI can teach me how to shoot F-Class.

 

[ShootDots]

Maybe the guys in WI can teach me how to shoot F-Class.

I am quite sure they can! I am also quite sure they would be glad to! It is GREAT fun! However, a warning must be issued here>> F-Class is VERY addicting! This "addiction" can be extremely costly! But worth every penny! LOL!!!

 

[Ringostar]

Terry, come check out are matches at Lodi. You don't live very far away. I still want to check out your bench/balloon matches.

 

[Terry]

Do you have a match list?

 

[nastynatesfish]

Have you givin any thought to the 7mm practical? That's my next 7mm when ever I need to rebarrel my 7rem mag. Or I may build a savage to it just cause. I think with the 180s or when ever the 195s come out it would be a great force to recon

 

[dkhunt14]

The 7mm will not shoot good enough to win in 600 yard Br. Look at the groups shot in 600 yard Nationals. Lots of perfect scores and very small groups and aggs. They can't hang with a Dasher. They would be lucky to shoot a top 20 group. I know the 7mm fans are not going to like this post but its the truth. Go look at the aggs they shot at The Nationals. 600 yard and 1000 yard BR is not like F-class and the groups needed to win are very good. I have seen one 7 SAUM compete and do good at 1000 but it wouldn't at 600. Matt

 

[Ringostar]

Matt, even the F class guys don't shoot 7's for mid range. The 6 and 6.5's are cheaper and easier to shoot. It's switching winds at long range that make the 7's preferred. Terry, the long range matches are now post at wingunclub.org, F class shoots along with the sling shooters.

 

[ShootDots]

Matt, even the F class guys don't shoot 7's for mid range. The 6 and 6.5's are cheaper and easier to shoot. It's switching winds at long range that make the 7's preferred. Terry, the long range matches are now post at wingunclub.org, F class shoots along with the sling shooters.

This 'taint entirely true. Mark Walker shoots a 7 "Walker" at 600 and Ken Dickerman used one this past October at the TSRA Championship at Bayou Rifles to "set or tie?" a National Record of 200-19X's! However, "for the most part" I am in agreement with you. It is VERY difficult to beat a 6 Dasher or a 6.5 x 47 at 600 yards! Let the wind B-L-O-W and the 7's will shine there too!

 

[Ringostar]

Ben, yes I've seen it done also, but very rarely. I wasn't meaning never, but the main go to is a 6 or 6.5!

 

[ShootDots]

Ben, yes I've seen it done also, but very rarely. I wasn't meaning never, but the main go to is a 6 or 6.5!

I knew exactly what you meant. I have used my Shehane from time to time, however, ONLY when it is howling out there! I simply can NOT score as well with the Shehane "under normal circumstances" as I can with either of my Dashers. I now have employed a .260A.I. as my "600 yard hammer" >>> but as yet it has not proven itself as it is too new to have even shot a match with it. BUT with 140 LRBT's going slightly in excess of 2900 and accuracy biting the heels of my Dashers, it might be the best of both worlds.

In another thread on here, Bob Cauterucio announced he has a 155gr 6.5 projectile. Later this Spring I am going to put it thru it's paces to see if I can get it where I want. If I can, I CAN NOT imagine ANY cartridge being better than that at 600 yards under any condition(s)!

I did not mean to offend you or to minimize what you were intent on saying, I just wanted to let others know that even "up close" and under certain conditions, the 7's have few peers!

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

As it relates specifically to F-Class, the co-current national record holders are:

Bob Seabold 200-19 (6BRX?)
Ken Dickerman 200-19 (.284 Win)

Modified based on comment below.

Tell me again why I should shoot a 6 or 6.5 at 600 in an F-Class match? (I'll still stand by this since obviously the .284 can be as accurate as any 6 or 6.5, in an F match.)

 

[Raptor]

Matt, I think you "Might" be right for 600yd shooting but the 7mm is hard to beat from there on out. I have 6mms and 6.5s but when I want to spank steel at anything from 800yds on out my go to rifle is my 284. I have found them to be easy to tune and very accurate. The only down side for people may be the recoil. I however don't find this to be a problem. As long as I am shooting long range I will always have a 284....

 

[Ringostar]

Mark, I was pulling the target for Bob's 600yd record. I believe he used a 6brx.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

Mark, I was pulling the target for Bob's 600yd record. I believe he used a 6brx.

I'll defer to the puller!

I am positive Ken was using his .284, though.

I tried for some time to make my 6s & 6.5s competitive at 600 F, but I simply find the 7 to get the job done better.

 

[TrapperT]

As it relates specifically to F-Class, the co-current national record holders are:

Bob Seabold 200-19 (6BRX?)
Ken Dickerman 200-19 (.284 Win)

Modified based on comment below.

Tell me again why I should shoot a 6 or 6.5 at 600 in an F-Class match? (I'll still stand by this since obviously the .284 can be as accurate as any 6 or 6.5, in an F match.)

Mark: Not trying to pick a fight but, there are other shooters who have tied that record at 600 yards in registered matches with something other than a 7mm. Matter of fact if I recall correctly, at the Mid-Range Nationals at Camp Perry last year, the top three people in F-Open were shooting 6 Dashers and one shot a 6.5 Lapua. Also, one of those Dashers shot a 600-51x's out of a possible 600-60x on Day #2. And those three were competing against a bunch of top shooters who had .284's.

Again, not trying to pick a fight but for mid-range, the dasher is really hard to beat.

Tony

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

As it relates specifically to F-Class, the co-current national record holders are:

Bob Seabold 200-19 (6BRX?)
Ken Dickerman 200-19 (.284 Win)

Modified based on comment below.

Tell me again why I should shoot a 6 or 6.5 at 600 in an F-Class match? (I'll still stand by this since obviously the .284 can be as accurate as any 6 or 6.5, in an F match.)

Mark: Not trying to pick a fight but, there are other shooters who have tied that record at 600 yards in registered matches with something other than a 7mm. Matter of fact if I recall correctly, at the Mid-Range Nationals at Camp Perry last year, the top three people in F-Open were shooting 6 Dashers and one shot a 6.5 Lapua. Also, one of those Dashers shot a 600-51x's out of a possible 600-60x on Day #2. And those three were competing against a bunch of top shooters who had .284's.

Again, not trying to pick a fight but for mid-range, the dasher is really hard to beat.

Tony

Pick a fight, heck no!! I don't take it that way at all! I would ask if anyone else has tied the 200-19 in a registered match, why does that not show in the NRA Records? Ken just did it a few months back so it will not show for sometime.

Anyway, I agree the Dasher is a great shooting cartridge, no doubt. I have a BR-DX and its a hammer in the calm. However, I do not think, overall, it or a Dasher etc is the best for 600 F.

If calm, a dasher is a great choice. If windy, not so much. Unless you're bringing your golf bags of guns, I'd rather hedge and have the 7 when I know they are as capable in the calm, and more capable when the winds pick up.

I'll leave it at this, I will highly encourage everyone else to ONLY bring their 6s to all 600 yard F-Matches going forward.

Edited to apologize to the OP, this thread is about 7mm accuracy, not the Dasher vs everything else debate that often creeps into discussions.

 

[TrapperT]

I know that the person who tied the national record didn't submit the score because they thought you don't get anything for tying it. In hind sight, they probably should have!

And yes, all I ever shoot for F-Open at mid-range is my 6mm regardless of the wind. And I have shot it in some pretty rough conditions. Hands down it is better than my .284 regardless of the condition. But this has been my experience and I know that most people don't have that same feeling. Maybe I just have an exceptional barrel.

Maybe I need to shoot one of your 7mm Walker's!

 

[ShootDots]

Mark, you stated, and I quote: "I'll leave it at this, I will highly encourage everyone else to ONLY bring their 6's to ALL 600 yard F-matches going forward.

I prefer to use the best tool for the job at hand. If it is not too windy and pretty steady, I will bring my Dasher(s). If it is going to be windy and switching all about, I will bring either the Shehane or "hopefully" my new .260A.I. If it is NOT windy and or light but steady, I can not beat the scores my Dashers provide. So if I want to score as HIGH as I possibly can, when the winds are favorable, then I MUST use the Dashers. On the other hand, if we do have contrary winds, I will use something considerably larger. That is the beauty of having the BEST tool for the job at hand.. That is not to say that the BIG 7's are not capable when the winds are light and variable>>just NOT as capable as a Dasher, in 7 out of 10 matches when the winds are favorable..

 

[Lbart]

Terry,
My views on your original question.... "Is there a 7mm cartridge that is more accurate than the others?" answer...NO. That is if you consider what is winning the most big championships.

I started FC with a 6BR went to a 6.5/284 & 6XC then a 284 Shehane & 7/270 WSM. At 3,5 & 600 the 6's might have a bit of inherent accuracy advantage do to less recoil for many people. But on average I will go with a 7. Everyone talks about records but what less proficient shooters should look at is what the best shooters shoot at 600-1k. That will tell you a lot. Most all the 2013 USA FC Team shot 7RSAUM's of some sort in the FCN's & FCWC, but I have been using a 7/270 WSM since 2010. The seven 7mm Bartlein's I have and am shooting have all been exceptional. Any non 10 or X''s have not been due to the case size or caliber but my pointing it wrong.

Many seem to get too worked up over records and what they are shot with. You need to look at what the best shooters are winning Major multi-day championships with on a REGULAR basis.

I'll have to stand by Mark. Day in day out the 7mm is the way to go for most shooters.

 

[Mark Walker in TX]

I know that the person who tied the national record didn't submit the score because they thought you don't get anything for tying it. In hind sight, they probably should have!

And yes, all I ever shoot for F-Open at mid-range is my 6mm regardless of the wind. And I have shot it in some pretty rough conditions. Hands down it is better than my .284 regardless of the condition. But this has been my experience and I know that most people don't have that same feeling. Maybe I just have an exceptional barrel.

Maybe I need to shoot one of your 7mm Walker's!

Oh man, that's disappointing for the shooter! (Really the Match Director is who should have submitted it, but I won't harp on them as they are all volunteers and we'd never get to shoot if not for what they do!)

Haha! I've been happy with the 7 Walkers, yes.