Has NRA ruled a mandatory 7 sec delay for E-Targets?
7 Sec delay
- Thread starter Rick Ratzlaff
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That was fast. Thanks Got the answer.
Here you go - look it up - http://rulebooks.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdfCan you let the rest of us know?
See rule 10.17.1(g) This is subject to change of course.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
I can tell you that I have talked with at least one compeditor from Lodi that won an F-Open match that told me he shot his 20 shots for record in under 3 minutes. (I believe he told me under 2:30) If it was an X he didn't wait for the plot and launched another, if it was a 10 he waited. 200-13 or 14 X I think.
That is not the F class competition that I want, that is in fact "belly bench rest". I sincerely hope that in the future F class comps with E-targets do what ever is needed to make this a wind reading game and not a how fast can you shoot game.
That is not the F class competition that I want, that is in fact "belly bench rest". I sincerely hope that in the future F class comps with E-targets do what ever is needed to make this a wind reading game and not a how fast can you shoot game.
seb
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Being an "outsider" I don't have any problem shooting with any given rules, be it with mandatory delay or not, competitors must pull target, ETC, whatever -- as long as all competitors in that day have the same/equal "things".
Exception probably only for ones with disability such as not able to pull target, not able to shoot prone due to their physic/condition, or other reasonable thing.
Some people shoot fast some people don't, it's their call/preference and skill.
That's what I call: Fair Competition.
seb.
Exception probably only for ones with disability such as not able to pull target, not able to shoot prone due to their physic/condition, or other reasonable thing.
Some people shoot fast some people don't, it's their call/preference and skill.
That's what I call: Fair Competition.
seb.
B Nettesheim
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The high power committee will be writing the rules on this subject, write them with any concerns.
I view the competition more with the target and conditions and course than with the other shooters. Electronic targets don't force you to shoot fast, they only allow it. Who cares what the other shooters are doing?
There is no reason not to maintain a constant rhythm, read the wind, let the barrel cool a bit, and then let one fly. Each shot is to be considered and savored and cherished as if it is the only shot of the day.
Shooting quickly will come at the cost of shorter barrel life. Not a game I want to play. But I won't complain if others do. It's their money.
There is no reason not to maintain a constant rhythm, read the wind, let the barrel cool a bit, and then let one fly. Each shot is to be considered and savored and cherished as if it is the only shot of the day.
Shooting quickly will come at the cost of shorter barrel life. Not a game I want to play. But I won't complain if others do. It's their money.
Could not agree with you more Wade. I have yet to talk to a top F-class shooter who does not also agree. Bench rest is available for anyone who wants to shoot without delay. Let's keep F-class as a high power sport. The e-target rules need to be changed to make the 7 second (or greater) delay mandatory IMHO. Shot location and score should not be posted during the wait period and any shots during the waiting period should be recorded as misses....just like standard targets.
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So how do you deal with crossfires. The scorer will not be able to tell whose shot is whose. Having used E Ts for five years dealing with crossfires along the way a delay of any sort will cause untold trouble. Registration of the shot is the most important part of shooting not how fast the shooter is.
Thats why, as a scorer, you are paying attention to your shooter. You will know if he fired or not.
What he said, that's the purpose of the scorer....pay attention to the shooter and know when he fires. I would propose that e-target simply ignore shots that occur during the delay. The shooter who cross-fired will not have a shot show up on his target and the scorer knows he did shoot....it's a miss...just like standard targets. Shooter who was cross-fired on has no delay because no shot was recorded during the delay period....simply fire when your score is shown.
Jdne5b
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I agree, but there needs to be some sort of buffer built in for shots that come in very close to each other, and the shooter on that target should receive the higher value. I would hate for the target to go into delay mode while the shooter was in the firing process, the scorer is watching the shooter, and he doesn't receive the correct score.
I've not shot on them yet, so maybe this scenario isn't possible.. but from what I've read/heard, it seems like it could happen.
Jdne5b you may not have shot on the Lodi e-targets but you have figured out a scenario that has to be kept in mind - your target receiving a crossfire, and therefore putting the target into a 7-sec-wait, and then your target's shooter firing his shot. It is important that the shooter's shot not be blindly thrown away by the e-target system. There is no way for the e-target system to know who fired a shot fired during a 7-sec-wait.
It will need the judgement of a human scorekeeper, who has been paying attention, in order to properly sort through these scenarios (making sure that the incoming crossfires are not counted against the shooter).
Another question open to interpretation is how to treat a shooter firing on his own target during the 7s-delay-time. Should that be counted as a miss, i.e. do we consider this to be the same as firing at a manual target when it is still in the pits? Should the shot be permitted, i.e. it's a shooter taking a calculated risk running and gunning without seeing the location of his previous shot.
It will need the judgement of a human scorekeeper, who has been paying attention, in order to properly sort through these scenarios (making sure that the incoming crossfires are not counted against the shooter).
Another question open to interpretation is how to treat a shooter firing on his own target during the 7s-delay-time. Should that be counted as a miss, i.e. do we consider this to be the same as firing at a manual target when it is still in the pits? Should the shot be permitted, i.e. it's a shooter taking a calculated risk running and gunning without seeing the location of his previous shot.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
Trust me, I would if I could.
Highpower-FClass
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My suggestion would be a hardline 7 second delay between each shot before showing score / POI, and that all occurrences of additional impacts in that 7 second period were shown as 'Crossfire / multiple impacts' on the display when the 7 seconds are up.
It would be the responsibility of the scorer to determine if the shooter took one shot (crossfire - highest score awarded) or two shots (first impact awarded, second marked as a miss since the target 'was in the pits')
Perhaps too much responsibility on the scorer.
It would be the responsibility of the scorer to determine if the shooter took one shot (crossfire - highest score awarded) or two shots (first impact awarded, second marked as a miss since the target 'was in the pits')
Perhaps too much responsibility on the scorer.
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