6mmBR Help?...

[gotcha]

Three suggestions: (1)Try dry firing with your rest. Are the crosshairs moving when the sear breaks? (2) Try a variety of seating depths. (3) Use only one high quality bullet until you've proven to yourself it works in YOUR rifle or doesn't...............Then move on to a 2nd bullet choice if necessary.

Ill have to try that and see what its doing. Sounds like a good idea Ill give that a try, should I stick with the 80gr Bergers or use the 105 Amx that I have? Any idea were I should for setting depth?

Check Savage Shooters forum FAQ for torque specs. I can't recommend a seating depth as every rifle is a rule of its own in that regard. The flat based Berger will stabilize @ 100 yds. the boat tail A-max may not until 250+ yds. and may out shoot the Berger at longer distances. So what is the intended purpose of your rifle? Choose a bullet accordingly. You've got a lot of good advice. Start with the basics, don't skip steps in load development. (powder chg & seating depth) Get a comparator to measure seating depth from ogive to base. OAL measurements are NOT reliable. So your results aren't repeatable ...... Good luck and pay attention to sgreen3, Gmac & potatoe.

 

[Scarab]

I shoot 90gr BT bergers in my Salvage BR AND 105 Hybrids. The Savage throat area in a new barrel is a little rough usually, might try short stroking the throat with JB paste to clean up. If i had a loaded round i would measure the COAL for you but my measurements are with a Hornady comparator.

 

[sgreen3]

what kind of groups are you able to get with your tactical rifles?

I have a Model 11 in 243 that I have no issue getting sub 1.5" groups at 200yrds with my handloads. Which is why this has kinda gotten me bummed but may I just haven't found the 6BR's sweet spot yet.

 

[joshb]

I'm playing with my jamb but I started with .015. I'm starting with square one again. Tim is referring to how you hold the gun while shooting. Search "free recoil",and shooting form, etc.

 

[sgreen3]

Three suggestions: (1)Try dry firing with your rest. Are the crosshairs moving when the sear breaks? (2) Try a variety of seating depths. (3) Use only one high quality bullet until you've proven to yourself it works in YOUR rifle or doesn't...............Then move on to a 2nd bullet choice if necessary.

Ill have to try that and see what its doing. Sounds like a good idea Ill give that a try, should I stick with the 80gr Bergers or use the 105 Amx that I have? Any idea were I should for setting depth?

Check Savage Shooters forum FAQ for torque specs. I can't recommend a seating depth as every rifle is a rule of its own in that regard. The flat based Berger will stabilize @ 100 yds. the boat tail A-max may not until 250+ yds. and may out shoot the Berger at longer distances. So what is the intended purpose of your rifle? Choose a bullet accordingly. You've got a lot of good advice. Start with the basics, don't skip steps in load development. (powder chg & seating depth) Get a comparator to measure seating depth from ogive to base. OAL measurements are NOT reliable. So your results aren't repeatable ...... Good luck and pay attention to sgreen3, Gmac & potatoe.

Thanks again for the reply! Yes, my OAL was measured at the ogive, my chamber length measures 1.818 with my depth gauge and was loading these .015 into the lands. My purpose for this rifle was 200-300yrd benchrest, my local club does a few of these matches a year and I know my other bolt guns wont hold a candle to some of the rigs that show up. Although I don't expect to win but would like to be competitive.

 

[sgreen3]

I shoot 90gr BT bergers in my Salvage BR AND 105 Hybrids. The Savage throat area in a new barrel is a little rough usually, might try short stroking the throat with JB paste to clean up. If i had a loaded round i would measure the COAL for you but my measurements are with a Hornady comparator.

I use the Hornady comparator with their modified case. Those are some nice groups is that at 100yrds?

 

[Scarab]

bottom target is at 100, top is at 200. Dont get in the mind set that your Savage is not as good some of the higher end guns, they are very capable of competing with high end rifles. Looks like our distance to jam is very close. The 105 Hybrids like to be .010 from jam on my gun, i shoot the 105's at 200-600 yards. The 90's will stabalize faster and thus will always outshoot a 105gr at 100 yards.

 

[sgreen3]

bottom target is at 100, top is at 200. Dont get in the mind set that your Savage is not as good some of the higher end guns, they are very capable of competing with high end rifles. Looks like our distance to jam is very close. The 105 Hybrids like to be .001 from jam on my gun, i shoot the 105's at 200-600 yards. The 90's will stabalize faster and thus will always outshoot a 105gr at 100 yards.

Yea that's what led me to get this rifle is all the great things you hear about them and how well they shoot. I wonder if I should try putting the just at jam instead of going into the lands with the 105s and see how that does. As I mentioned this rifle will be used in mostly 200yrd benchrest with the occasional match at 300yrds. Would the 105 Amax be ok to spend the time working it up. Only reason Im kinda stuck on this bullet is my local shop keeps them in stock.

 

[potatoe]

bottom target is at 100, top is at 200. Dont get in the mind set that your Savage is not as good some of the higher end guns, they are very capable of competing with high end rifles. Looks like our distance to jam is very close. The 105 Hybrids like to be .010 from jam on my gun, i shoot the 105's at 200-600 yards. The 90's will stabalize faster and thus will always outshoot a 105gr at 100 yards.

Ummm. no. Much more goes into it than just saying a certain bullet weight will "always" out shoot another. Don't go throwing that into the mix for a new guy trying to load BR ammo.

 

[Scarab]

ive heard good things about the Amax, the bad ive heard is that sometimes they can vary significantly from lot to lot. I havent tried them, i have tried the 105 BT match, they worked ok. When you say jammed bullet is the bolt hard to close?

 

[sgreen3]

I'm playing with my jamb but I started with .015. I'm starting with square one again. Tim is referring to how you hold the gun while shooting. Search "free recoil",and shooting form, etc.

Just watched a video on the subject and no I was putting my cheek on the stock and lightly resting the buttstock portion of the stock on my shoulder.

 

[Scarab]

bottom target is at 100, top is at 200. Dont get in the mind set that your Savage is not as good some of the higher end guns, they are very capable of competing with high end rifles. Looks like our distance to jam is very close. The 105 Hybrids like to be .010 from jam on my gun, i shoot the 105's at 200-600 yards. The 90's will stabalize faster and thus will always outshoot a 105gr at 100 yards.

Ummm. no. Much more goes into it than just saying a certain bullet weight will "always" out shoot another. Don't go throwing that into the mix for a new guy trying to load BR ammo.

potatoe is right, I think the first thing to focus on is being able to repeat your shots the same every time. From your pics i might make sure your front rest is not moving and probably move the rear bag further back.

 

[sgreen3]

ive heard good things about the Amax, the bad ive heard is that sometimes they can vary significantly from lot to lot. I havent tried them, i have tried the 105 BT match, they worked ok. When you say jammed bullet is the bolt hard to close?

Not hard to close but there is slight resistance.

 

[potatoe]

Sgreen3, bergers are in stock if you look a little. One "test" i do (this is just me) is I like to get a box of 3 of the most popular bullets and shoot a light and higher charge of all three. One should stand out and I'll go on to further load development from there. You can always sell the remainder and get some of your money back. I've been able to get some of the lighter bullets to shoot in fast twists but my guns always seemed to favor the bullets that twist is for after tuning.

If you go over you gun like the others said - scope, action torque, dies set up correctly, have another experienced shooter shoot it ect. and you feel it all checks out then you need to find the bullet/powder your gun likes. I've never had a savage, but I'm sure its like all other guns and will have a certain combo it likes most its up to you to find it

In a BR the most popular's seem to be 105 bergers (all types) 108 bergers, and various custom bullets. For powder's it's the varget and RL 15. If you can't get that thing to shoot with any of those combos congrats because you found the only BR that doesn't shoot

Also is your forearm riding on the "ears' of the front bag?

 

[sgreen3]

bottom target is at 100, top is at 200. Dont get in the mind set that your Savage is not as good some of the higher end guns, they are very capable of competing with high end rifles. Looks like our distance to jam is very close. The 105 Hybrids like to be .010 from jam on my gun, i shoot the 105's at 200-600 yards. The 90's will stabalize faster and thus will always outshoot a 105gr at 100 yards.

Ummm. no. Much more goes into it than just saying a certain bullet weight will "always" out shoot another. Don't go throwing that into the mix for a new guy trying to load BR ammo.

potatoe is right, I think the first thing to focus on is being able to repeat your shots the same every time. From your pics i might make sure your front rest is not moving and probably move the rear bag further back.

OK Ill take a look at the front rest. I will say I know that it doest seem like it sits in the font bag like it should and Ill have to move the rear bag back then.

 

[sgreen3]

Sgreen3, bergers are in stock if you look a little. One "test" i do (this is just me) is I like to get a box of 3 of the most popular bullets and shoot a light and higher charge of all three. One should stand out and I'll go on to further load development from there. You can always sell the remainder and get some of your money back. I've been able to get some of the lighter bullets to shoot in fast twists but my guns always seemed to favor the bullets that twist is for after tuning.

If you go over you gun like the others said - scope, action torque, dies set up correctly, have another experienced shooter shoot it ect. and you feel it all checks out then you need to find the bullet your gun likes. I've never had a savage, but I'm sure its like all other guns and will have a certain combo it likes most its up to you to find it

Ok Ill try it. What in your opinion would be 3 of the most popular? By light and higher charge are you referring to load one set with the starting grains then another set with the max grains? Should I stay using the .015 into the lands or just back it off to what my chamber measures? After just checking all the screws everything seems to be tight and as it should be. Thanks again for the advice, greatly appreciated!

 

[sgreen3]

I found some 105VLD Hunting bullets in stock, would these be what I need? Or I found 105 VLD "Target"?...

 

[Scarab]

pm me your address and ill mail you a box of 105 vld hunting bullets, 105vld target bullets and i might have some 105 BT bergers. I remember starting benchrest shooting 5-6 years ago and i blew a ton of money on stuff i didnt need!! It really came down to me learning how to shoot the gun, once i had that figured out the rest got a little easier!!

Jeremy

 

[sgreen3]

pm me your address and ill mail you a box of 105 vld hunting bullets, 105vld target bullets and i might have some 105 BT bergers. I remember starting benchrest shooting 5-6 years ago and i blew a ton of money on stuff i didnt need!! It really came down to me learning how to shoot the gun, once i had that figured out the rest got a little easier!!

Jeremy

Thanks a lot!!! PM sent and yes I agree, Believe me Im sure some if not most of my problem is me shooting the rifle. I guess I need to work on my free recoil technique. Ive never shot like that before so it should be learning curve, but I want to make sure everything else is in order as well.

 

[rjtfroggy]

Sgreen3 I am not an expert by any means but I do shoot Savages and have 13-14 in the safe and not one of them likes a jammed bullet. I usually start at 0.018-0.022 off and work from there, I also pick a load in the middle of the range to start and work up .2 gr. at a time until I find a decent load.
I am presently shooting a 243 match at 100 -200 yard BR score matches using 105 Bergers 0.022 off the lands and just shot a 247 this past Sat. so yes they can compete.
On another note try different positions for shooting I found sitting almost directly behind the gun works best for me.