6mm VLD Hunting max speeds ???

[Eric Leonard]

trying to decide on what case to use,,I want to push the 105 VLD Hunting bullet as fast as possible and it be accurate and not explode in flight,,but dont want to use a bigger case than I need to get that speed,,

will it take all the pressure a 6mm-06 or 6-284 will provide ??

what is the max muzzle velocity the VLD Hunting bullets take and not come apart in flight

 

[Sniper338]

Why?.....

 

[Eric Leonard]

gonna rebarrel my 25-06 and was thinkin about a 6-06,,I like to zero at 300 and be able to shoot as far as possible without holdover,,will be 100% hunting rifle,,if it is too far to hold on hair I will try and get closer or pass the shot,,

if they will take 3300 fps I could zero at 300 and never be over 3 inches high and could make 400 pretty easy,,

 

[Sniper338]

Im sure they can take 3300... people run em at 3100ish all the time. And seeing how people like to run 22 cal bergers at 4000fps for fun im sure these would hold up... speed tdont equate to much anything for hunting though... speed dont make accuracy... usually stuff shoots better a tad slower than max.. and at 400 yards nothing really matters... a 6br would kill stuff deader than a door knob at 400...

if your wanting to just wildcat thats one thing but if you want a good 6mm id look at the 6br 6xc or 6x47

 

[Eric Leonard]

I have a BRDX,,and I have a shot out 25-06 and want to rebarrel to something with better bullet choices and still use 06 brass,,

if the 6mm bullets wont handle the speed the 06 case can put out I will look at the 6.5-06,,

all I am really concerned with is if the 6mm bullets can be run as fast as the 06 case can push them or not,,

 

[Sniper338]

I dont think it would would hurt.. i think its doable

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Should handle the speeds fine. I would normally suggest a different caliber, but the 6mm-06 would be ideal in your situation because I'm sure you already have a bunch of 25-06 brass lying around for that rifle. Be nothing to turn it into 6mm-06. I expect speeds would be equal to the 6mm Remington Ackley.

Of course top speed will be relative to the length of barrel you decide to use.

 

[barefooter56]

mr.big,
Lots of good suggestions here to consider. We would add though that velocity is not the "be all and end all". Accuracy is. You will have to do the seating depth and load testing to find just what your rifle likes for both. Go to our Berger Blog and read Erics "VLDs,Making them shoot" and Brian Litz's 2 part series on The effects of cartridge OAL , COAL and CBTO on loads and accuracy. Our hunting VLD bullets do have a slightly thinner jacket than the target bullets so you may want to consider a rifling type like the 5R or such that puts less stress on the jacket and as was noted before, barrel length. With a longer barrel( 26-28") you may be able to use a slower powder that will give you more velocity and be easier on the throat. This is going to be a very overbore cartridge so don't expect long barrel life. Hope this helps!

 

[Yellow11]

Not an answere to your problem but more an abstract observation on case sizes.

My 6/47 using 115 Berger Hunting runs at 3050 and the same bullet in my 6/284 runs at 3222.

Both rounds are extremely accurate.

 

[mikecr]

will it take all the pressure a 6mm-06 or 6-284 will provide ??

This makes no sense..
The highest pressure cartridge I'm aware of in 6MM is the 6PPC (because it's tiny). The bigger the cartridges, the lower the viable pressures you can run.

what is the max muzzle velocity the VLD Hunting bullets take and not come apart in flight

My prediction in 8tw is ~3400fps.

 

[antitactical]

6mm saum. I'm about to build one of these in a big BAT model M . 30" 1.350 barrel 8 twist. ( the gun is a 1000yd bench gun in 300 ackley) It's a 50 lb gun and should be a fun to see how fast I can get a 105 up to. I'm probably going to use reloader 33.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

6mm saum. I'm about to build one of these in a big BAT model M . 30" 1.350 barrel 8 twist. ( the gun is a 1000yd bench gun in 300 ackley) It's a 50 lb gun and should be a fun to see how fast I can get a 105 up to. I'm probably going to use reloader 33.

Bout the time you figure out how fast it can make them go, your barrel will be burned out. Lol

6 SAUM is very fast and would make an excellent hunting cartridge. But in a competion setting where a lot of rounds have to be fired at each match in rapid succession, it's not the round most would choose. Hope it works out for you though. I'm sure it will shoot really well in a heavy gun while the barrel is in good shape.

 

[Sniper338]

Wheres the berger guys? Itd be interesting to know testing specs about when bullets come apart

 

[barefooter56]

Sniper338,
Too subjective. Depends on length of barrel, type of rifling, load ETC.
Sorry.

 

[Wells]

I shoot a 240 Weatherby using H-1000 and a 95 Berger at 3400 fps. The only thing that blows up are crows.

 

[Changeling]

trying to decide on what case to use,,I want to push the 105 VLD Hunting bullet as fast as possible and it be accurate and not explode in flight,,but dont want to use a bigger case than I need to get that speed,,

will it take all the pressure a 6mm-06 or 6-284 will provide ??

what is the max muzzle velocity the VLD Hunting bullets take and not come apart in flight

Take a look here Mr. Big: http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammo/ammunition_rs_6mm06wildcat_200808/#comments

 

[mikecr]

Changeling, I can't find where they were using 105 hunting VLDs in that article.
105 hunting VLDs(which are the original VLD) are also different than 95 bergers (Wells).
And before someone mixes this up: the Hunting VLDs are original thin jacket, while the target VLDs(new) have thicker jackets(to remove blow-ups).

Myself, I think they put them in opposite categories from applicable, as it's not the rational competitor blowing up VLDs(never has been). It's the irrational hunter, with their ridiculous overbore wildcats, that causes failures with the original VLD(a bullet that was designed for target shooting).
I'm no terminal ballistic expert, but I'm pretty sure everything I've hit with a berger is still dead. And I wouldn't hesitate to use the heavier jacket Target VLD for hunting with a big boomer. With this, no worries of blow-ups.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I have used the 140gr Target VLD's in a 6.5 Rem Mag for hunting and they killed everything just as good as the Hunting VLD's. So I have no qualms using either style of VLD for hunting

 

[Frankr]

MR BIg two whitetail doe fell in there tracks first one hit the ground so hard the second stood there giving me time to slowly reload and even time to decide weather to take her or not. I did.. she also fell in her tracks both standing broadside at 175 yrds. thats a 6XC 105 hunting VLD 3,150 FPS. it is easy 1/2 moa rifle all the way out to 1,000 yards. I will take back what I said before the guy's shooting the 6-284 was pushing them at 3,450 FPS and killing prairie dogs at 5-600 yards.. They will take the pressure..The only problem you might experience is if you shoot 20 in a row on a 90 deg day. super hot barrel on hot day you could separate the jacket..i think it has been done...but in a hunting rilfe you will never see it...if target rifle you need to go to the target bullet..

you will need a 1-8 twist for the 105 VLD...The 6-284 6mm/06 240 weatherby mag all about the same case capacity.. the 6-284 is known for being super accurate but it can be hard on barrels...as can the 6mm/06 and 240WM.. 243AI can also push into the same velocity as the other's. all large capacity 6mm.

I really do not after shooting it for a year and getting one hunting season on it think you need more than the 6XC.
BUT im in the process of building a 243 imp 30 deg...to see what I can do with the 115 VLD..

 

[mikecr]

the guy's shooting the 6-284 was pushing them at 3,450 FPS and killing prairie dogs at 5-600 yards.. They will take the pressure..The only problem you might experience is if you shoot 20 in a row on a 90 deg day. super hot barrel on hot day you could separate the jacket..i think it has been done...but in a hunting rilfe you will never see it...if target rifle you need to go to the target bullet..

None of this is rational..