CW,
If you look at the talldog improved reamer print, the base of the bullet is nowhere near the old shoulder/neck junction. .013" neck wall thickness does not get buggered up nearly as much as .008" when it accidently hits the floor.
My .22Waldog was a .248 neck so it was quite challenging to id bore and od turn and end up with a loaded round of .246. You have about .003 to play with total! Fun stuff, but you had better be dialed in when you start cutting....
My all-time favorite .224 was (stole, "naming" concept from Dan Dowling) the 22 IdiotDog - a .200" short
RG
Randy,My all-time favorite .224 was (stole, "naming" concept from Dan Dowling) the 22 IdiotMag - a .200" short
22BR - every bit the equal of my John Ambler chambered 22 Waldogs. Making the chamber .200" short creates about .222 Remington capacity . . . making the brass takes some time, however, THAT is/was part of the "fun".
Clay, the 22 IdiotDogs were made using my original .242" neck 22BR reamer - long ago, I went away from those THIN neck-walls (your post #42). I am going to chamber one soon, but will use my new JGS, .250" neck reamer. The IdiotMags shot so well, I intend to enjoy the nostalgia trip, albiet via THICKER neck-walls!
RGThat's what the people that i knew were using
Beggs experimented with the Nk/shoulder radius and arrived at a more functional re-sizing experience. I originally opted for the .220x30* to have capacity ~equal to the (-).125" Waldog (short 22PPC): my second Waldog was 0.100" short of PPC. The [.220x30*] concept was to eliminate/reduce the fire-forming.
RG
Please continue to add to this thread!!!!!Beggs experimented with the Nk/shoulder radius and arrived at a more functional re-sizing experience. I originally opted for the .220x30* to have capacity ~equal to the (-).125" Waldog (short 22PPC): my second Waldog was 0.100" short of PPC. The concept was to eliminate/reduce the fire-forming. The down-side is that the tapered case body, even with a 30* shoulder, pretty much mimics .22/250 (or, any tapered case body cartridge) case length issues. With the Russianx30*,when FL/bump/Nk sizing, I must stay on top the case length.
Capacity wise, I expect that the Beggs version is the same ballpark, however, Gene worked out the "excessive" case lengthening - for that reason, I rate his version superior.
The .220x30* capacity, as with the (-).100"Waldog is very close to .223 Rem., or, another of my OLD favorites, the .222&1/2: 28.0 Gr. of Win 748 and a 52/53 gr. bullet usually pretty close to what a given barrel will "want".
P.S. Adding this to slow/stop hijacking Clay's thread - "believe-it-or-not", I will have nothing more to add.
Yes,(220R) as are several others, still. No Grendel brass either, from Lapua anyway.
Dick shot mostly with a Lil' Dog which was the Br case shortened more than the Talldog and necked to 22 caliber.
This was before lapua made 220 russian, the brass available was pretty poor quality, hence the 262 nk, it took that much to clean it up. That was the 90s and people were selling ppc brass that would barely hold a primer for $1 each. Primers were less than a penny each then just for some refrence.
I'm just a pup compared to some in the br game but I don't even remember a pre-220r ppc. Funny that I've never even thought about that because of the timeline of the ppc cartridge and I guess I just assumed, being a wildcat, P&P started with 220 brass. I learned something. It may have been clear to others but I just never knew this. Did they start with x39 brass or what? I've read the history, multiple times but still either forgot or never knew. Wiki says the 220 Russian is from 1961. That might be why I assumed it was the parent(Lapua) all along. Thank you.
Shoulda known you had probably done it buddy. Seems like it should work and be pretty straightforward but sometimes things just don't meet the eye, too. I might have to give this a try! Straight up 220 Beggs is a shooter but I can't say that they don't still stretch a bit more than my straighter wall 30° stuff, like, well, several...ppc, Grendels and Br's. But the stretch is manageable, just gotta keep an eye on it is all. I'm sure some of that is my own doing as I was never able to get rid of bolt click entirely with either of Genes reamer designs so I went a thou larger at the base than his 2nd design. Really no way around it I guess. I'm moving more brass but it's only a thou and I don't have clickers. It just works.Beggs experimented with the Nk/shoulder radius and arrived at a more functional re-sizing experience. I originally opted for the .220x30* to have capacity ~equal to the (-).125" Waldog (short 22PPC): my second Waldog was 0.100" short of PPC. The [.220x30*] concept was to eliminate/reduce the fire-forming.
The down-side is that the tapered case body, even with a 30* shoulder, pretty much mimics .22/250 (or, any tapered case body cartridge) case length issues. With the Russianx30*,when FL/bump/Nk sizing, I must stay on top the case length.
Capacity wise, I expect that the Beggs version is the same ballpark, however, Gene worked out the "excessive" case lengthening - for that reason, I rate his version superior.
The .220x30* capacity, as with the (-).100"Waldog is very close to .223 Rem., or, another of my OLD favorites, the .222&1/2: 28.0 Gr. of Win 748 and a 52/53 gr. bullet is usually pretty close to what a given barrel will "want".
P.S. Adding this to slow/stop hijacking Clay's thread - "believe-it-or-not", I will have nothing more to add.
Mike, i think lapua made the x39 version and sako made 220 russian back then but the quality of the brass was no where near present day lapua. Lapua started making 220 Russian later. I wouldn't bet the farm on this but i think it's accurate. I was shooting a 6br remington case in those days, the quality of those left a lot to be desired also, I still have the jig i made to drill the flash holes in the rem br brass. I couldn't afford to play this game back then but i dearly loved it so i scrimped and made as much of my stuff as i could just to shoot. This crap is addictive! Also i think the lapua brass was large primer pocket and the sako was small primer.
I would not argue a bit either way. The last few years have been a whirlwind. Things are better but I think I lost what little mind I ever had. CRS is real. Lol!
