6mm BR for 600 BR

[Lumpy’s guns]

Getting up early for shoots is my normal. I live 2 hours from any range even for practice. I do it gladly because it’s what I do to do the sport I like. Same with going the extra mile on reloading. Yes that is not for everyone. But if you want to be good at your craft it takes work. I know it’s not a popular word anymore, but there are young shooters who are willing. I feel making it more rewarding is the key, better awards better sponsors.
Just my thoughts

 

[JFrank]

Go back and reread post #15. Lots of difference in a .1 gun and ammo vs a .5 to .7 gun and ammo. Different mind sets. Hey , I am glad they are shooting but my point in traditional benchrest is a dying breed. If you think otherwise I think you need to get your head out of the sand. Sad but true. Multiple organizations does not help, traditional rules regarding guns bring tweaked does not help, lots of contributing factors but here we are.

My apologies for quoting you in the first place, my head isn’t in the sand Jeff or anywhere else and my thoughts weren’t to be snarky just stating the facts, take note that those f class and PRs guns shoot pretty damn small groups and those fellas can get it done maybe BR isn’t on the pedestal you think it is and maybe one reason younger crowd is leaning toward other disciplines is that benchrest might be boring , plus the (grouchy gray tops ) putting them down. Well I guarantee the sponsors and gun builders know where their customer base is.
Again my apologies for quoting you.
Jim

 

[Kracken McGraw]

None of my remarks were not meant to be snarky either. It’s just a different world now, I see lots of younger types not even wanting to put the work out to to develop a relationship with the opposite gender.

 

[Lumpy’s guns]

My apologies for quoting you in the first place, my head isn’t in the sand Jeff or anywhere else and my thoughts weren’t to be snarky just stating the facts, take note that those f class and PRs guns shoot pretty damn small groups and those fellas can get it done maybe BR isn’t on the pedestal you think it is and maybe one reason younger crowd is leaning toward other disciplines is that benchrest might be boring , plus the (grouchy gray tops ) putting them down. Well I guarantee the sponsors and gun builders know where their customer base is.
Again my apologies for quoting you.
Jim

I completely disagree with the “grouchy gray tops”. I’ve only been shooting BR for 6 months. Came from F-class. The 2 clubs I shoot at (Tacoma and Pe ELL) have been so helpful and mentoring to me.
They embrace new shooters. Maybe it’s a PNW thing.
Find a club with good helpful mentors.
This is how groups grow and prosper.
Thanks

 

[JFrank]

Fair enough, you won’t see any at our clubs either, where in OS are you located ? I lived in Illahee , ocean front property near oyehut in the 90’s

 

[Lumpy’s guns]

Fair enough, you won’t see any at our clubs either, where in OS are you located ? I lived in Illahee , ocean front property near oyehut in the 90’s

Ocean Shores WA

 

[varmintshooter]

Let me start off by saying I only compete with myself. Its a good thing when anybody gets into shooting. In my opinion F class was made for older guys, PRS is for the younger and more in shape shooters and maybe when the PRS guys aren't able to compete as well they will move to F class or BR. Hopefully they will learn that doing the work pays off

 

[Link]

My .-02$ I know YOU ;] want it. Availability, price$ and waiting to have a smith do the work is a big factor. Then there is the time factor - driving to and from. I shoot 1 day and reload 1 day a week. It takes a special kind of animal to do this, young or old.
Unfortunately, black guns with 4 - 30 round mags are in, shiny single shot rifles are out.
No more Pandas, the price on my 2 just went up.
Don

 

[Fire Dog]

Let me start off by saying I only compete with myself. Its a good thing when anybody gets into shooting. In my opinion F class was made for older guys, PRS is for the younger and more in shape shooters and maybe when the PRS guys aren't able to compete as well they will move to F class or BR. Hopefully they will learn that doing the work pays off

Exactly, no matter how well or poorly I do on the day {especially if things go poorly} I keep in mind. Hey, you still get to go home and have dinner…
The pressure of “I have to beat everyone today because I have the best gear and loads” is most likely going to end in tears…
In the end the only person I truly compete with is myself and I go to enjoy the day and the social company of folks that are an interesting mix of skill, ideas and philosophy.
Feed back from other shooters {of greater skill and experience and even different disciplines} has improved my own results as I will always listen to someone’s advice and see if it can be applied to what I am doing.
Dropped only 2 at 875yds {800meters} yesterday for a 198.7 {one “pilot error” & one mirage shift} for my best at that distance and I credit that to listening to a target rifle competitor’s advice. {I shoot F Open} I have moved my scope position and altered and practiced my hold position and that has definitely helped.
Without the feedback of an outside observer and a willingness to accept and put into practice something new, I would still be making the same errors…
“If you do what you have always done…. You will get what you have always gotten…”

 

[Ccrider]

Every generation is different. Those youngsters are are children and grandchildren, so to the extent that they are lacking in work ethic or have a sense of entitlement, we have to claim some of the blame.

BR is harder to get into at a competitive level than F-class or PRS for many reasons, mot of which that I don’t see changing. One thing that could change is BR shooters actually reaching out to them rather than criticizing them.

To answer the OP’s question, Bart 103 or 105, or VT 103s, depending on what the barrel likes.

 

[ogre1911]

Good job bringing it back around rider.

 

[foxguy]

From a recent viewing of Match shooter numbers.

NBRSA- Regional Match 25 shooters at Match. Predominately older.
PRS- Regional Match 65 Shooters at Match. Predominately younger.

Both disciplines require very accurate rifles and shooters who know their rifles and how to get
the results that they want.

It appears that NBRSA shooter numbers are declining and PRS shooter numbers are climbing.

NBRSA.
It's probably harder to learn about Precision Loading for the NBRSA as shooters have to learn to load for the Current Conditions of the day. And if you want to shoot in the top 10 you have to tweak your load as the conditions change thru-out the day.

PRS
Load, Adjust Scope for range and shoot.

 

[cdgaydos]

I’m here to lurk on the advice for 6BR loads… but thought I’d chime in…

Perhaps lower participation/ interest from new shooters in BR is not only due to attitudes of the younger generations… but, rather due to interests and the availability of many different disciplines to pursue.
On one end of the spectrum you have bench rest, where significant effort is focused on the equipment and loading skills. Even as far as to load for conditions on the line.

On the other end you have disciplines like service rifle. Where most of the effort is on developing your process and hold for execution shots in position with minimal support (relatively). With fairly standardized equipment.

In between you have PRS and Fclass, etc.

The allure of PRS is that you do get to get into “precision” reloading and you have to learn to shoot from odd positions… and there is a practicality to it.

Perhaps the time in the loading room and impractical equipment of BR put some new shooters off… given the alternatives…

As a Service Rifle shooter, I see and hear about the lower number of new shooters relative to PRS. We attribute that to people not wanting to shoot standing on their own two feet unsupported.

I don’t think it’s a money thing… all competitive shooting costs $$$…

The other thing I’d add from my own experience, the people make the difference. I had a lot of help when starting out in SR and have made some great friends… that is the best part for me.

 

[Lumpy’s guns]

I’m here to lurk on the advice for 6BR loads… but thought I’d chime in…

Perhaps lower participation/ interest from new shooters in BR is not only due to attitudes of the younger generations… but, rather due to interests and the availability of many different disciplines to pursue.
On one end of the spectrum you have bench rest, where significant effort is focused on the equipment and loading skills. Even as far as to load for conditions on the line.

On the other end you have disciplines like service rifle. Where most of the effort is on developing your process and hold for execution shots in position with minimal support (relatively). With fairly standardized equipment.

In between you have PRS and Fclass, etc.

The allure of PRS is that you do get to get into “precision” reloading and you have to learn to shoot from odd positions… and there is a practicality to it.

Perhaps the time in the loading room and impractical equipment of BR put some new shooters off… given the alternatives…

As a Service Rifle shooter, I see and hear about the lower number of new shooters relative to PRS. We attribute that to people not wanting to shoot standing on their own two feet unsupported.

I don’t think it’s a money thing… all competitive shooting costs $$$…

The other thing I’d add from my own experience, the people make the difference. I had a lot of help when starting out in SR and have made some great friends… that is the best part for me.

I really think we need to have a youth program similar to small-bore and Olympic Archery. Not only drive interest with young shooters but it brings in adults at the same time. Start with 22s. I’ve seen it work in Olympic Archery.

 

[Allen Corneau]

... On the other end you have disciplines like service rifle. Where most of the effort is on developing your process and hold for execution shots in position with minimal support (relatively). With fairly standardized equipment.

... As a Service Rifle shooter, I see and hear about the lower number of new shooters relative to PRS. We attribute that to people not wanting to shoot standing on their own two feet unsupported.

Silhouette has even less equipment than Service Rifle; no heavy/supportive coats, no slings, and it's all shot standing. We, too, have a hard time attracting folks to our game.

However, the good thing is we are seeing an up-tick of youth participation, especially around here in the Texas/Louisiana region. Louisiana has a very strong 4H shooting program and they regularly win the 4H National Championships because of their participation in our NRA Silhouette matches and they kick everyone's butt in that part of the competition.

At the beginning of June, our club hosted the inaugural "SK Lone Star Cup Super-Regional". We were at max capacity for standing (120 slots) and had an additional 31 benchrest silhouette shooters. Out of those 120 standing shooters, 45 of them were juniors!

Some of the hottest shooters in Silhouette right now are younger folks, 16 to 22 year-olds. Two young friends, Jake Stine (21 y/o) of west Texas and K.G. Bourgouyne (20 y/o?) of Louisiana, are both sponsored shooters for SK Ammunition. William Harris (16 y/o) also from Louisiana is the 2025 Smallbore Grand Aggregate National Champion. Jake was Third Open.

We've worked really hard to encourage the juniors to come out, get the parents involved, support them however we can, and give them some place to go once the 4H program kicks them to the curb when they age out.

(Sorry for contributing to the thread drift. I'm not a benchrest person so I've got nothing of substance to add there.)

 

[Cory porter]

They always stay opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I’ve heard the younger shooter remarks both positive and negative mostly negative. I started shooting reloading (poorly) in college and shooting matches at 24 and am 34 now, I agree most people my age or the age when I started just won’t ever get into the sport or stick with it

What has changed from 24-34 that may give a better picture why people don’t stick with it. 1.Shooting has gotten much more expensive, travel, components etc..
2. Time and travel to matches, time practicing, loading and tinkering
3. Prioritizing career and starting a family, when you older gentlemen were in that age range did you have the time you do now?
4. Match schedule, for us unlucky ones that don’t have a lot of options to shoot. Say 1-2 times a month, plans/schedule won’t allow- no matches all month


I do agree most younger folk would much prefer the easy way or whatever you want to call it but in some circumstances that’s the only way if you want to make it work. Maybe that’s why i am selling everything and sticking with multiple no turn 6br’s they always said its the easy button

 

[Kracken McGraw]

They always stay opinions are like assholes everyone has one. I’ve heard the younger shooter remarks both positive and negative mostly negative. I started shooting reloading (poorly) in college and shooting matches at 24 and am 34 now, I agree most people my age or the age when I started just won’t ever get into the sport or stick with it

What has changed from 24-34 that may give a better picture why people don’t stick with it. 1.Shooting has gotten much more expensive, travel, components etc..
2. Time and travel to matches, time practicing, loading and tinkering
3. Prioritizing career and starting a family, when you older gentlemen were in that age range did you have the time you do now?
4. Match schedule, for us unlucky ones that don’t have a lot of options to shoot. Say 1-2 times a month, plans/schedule won’t allow- no matches all month


I do agree most younger folk would much prefer the easy way or whatever you want to call it but in some circumstances that’s the only way if you want to make it work. Maybe that’s why i am selling everything and sticking with multiple no turn 6br’s they always said its the easy button

Sounds like your doing great Cory to find out a way to juggle it all!

 

[Cory porter]

Sounds like your doing great Cory to find out a way to juggle it all!

Juggle everything going well, shooting not so much unfortunately. One of these days I’ll figure it out

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

None of my remarks were not meant to be snarky either. It’s just a different world now, I see lots of younger types not even wanting to put the work out to to develop a relationship with the opposite gender.

Can you Blame them ?? Women Today, AIN'T the "Same" as,.. 25-30 years, ago !
One Word,.. "Spoiled / Entitled" ( Okay,.. 2 words, LOL ) Except,.. a RARE Few !
My 2 Grandsons, don't really Like to, Handload anymore,.. Except for, Big Game, Hunting Loads and "some" Steel Plate, Practice, Ammo,.. that's, It !

 

[Kracken McGraw]

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Can you Blame them ?? Women Today, AIN'T the "Same" as,.. 25-30 years, ago !
One Word,.. "Spoiled / Entitled" ( Okay,.. 2 words, LOL ) Except,.. a RARE Few !
My 2 Grandsons, don't really Like to, Handload anymore,.. Except for, Big Game, Hunting Loads and "some" Steel Plate, Practice, Ammo,.. that's, It !

I was speaking of both genders, stop being so self centered and keep this Country moving forward.