6BRA load data

[GlennK]

Here is some lighter stuff....ar comp and an 87 vld

 

[Northridge]

That right I have seen the pictures shooting at sun rises. Try shooting after 10:00 am and lets see how good the INDIAN is with the arrow !!!

White hunter, your some kind of funny... I would love to except your challenge of shooting after 10:00 AM most of my testing Frankly is after 5:00 PM when it is hot as hell and windy and I find a way to pull things off. clearly you do not delve into individual stats as I'm a slow starter and dislike 1st targets and more often shoot smaller 2nd targets than 1st. either way the 6 Dasher was a massive stepping stone in people bringing down & besting AGGs but as the mid day targets have shown velocity or even the lack of it will in the Little cousin the (BRA) Trump a 2" spit shot from a 6 dasher wreck your group any day. out here we actually count all shots on paper to win a relay not 85% percent that land in the same neighborhood. winning relays is tuff that's what makes things fun. either way I embrace who ever shows up with a 6 dasher or a 300 win mag it really is of no consequence, just fun shooting with people who have a common interest in shooting and eating Barbeque. OOH and laughing at my sorry ass trying to find the target board before a record string is required.


P.S. if you ever want to tune the 2" spit shot out of your dasher I have a solution...

Shawn Williams

 

[Northridge]

Here is some lighter stuff....ar comp and an 87 vld

Glenn I dream of what is just below your low charge..

Shawn Williams

 

[Whitehunter]

I stand corrected the BRA is KING. But just for FUN !!! 2018 1000 yard Nationals at Deep Creek was a 3 target aggregate. Two Gun Overall, Heavy gun score, Heavy group and Heavy Overall winner was a Dasher. Light gun score and Light gun Overall winner was a Dasher. Light gun group was a BRA ( The King ). Most have been the INDIAN with the arrow . Thats two different men with two different Dashers. My math that 6 for Dasher and 1 for BRA.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Here is some lighter stuff....ar comp and an 87 vld

How come no one is shooting this powder?????

 

[BartsBullets]

I stand corrected the BRA is KING. But just for FUN !!! 2018 1000 yard Nationals at Deep Creek was a 3 target aggregate. Two Gun Overall, Heavy gun score, Heavy group and Heavy Overall winner was a Dasher. Light gun score and Light gun Overall winner was a Dasher. Light gun group was a BRA ( The King ). Most have been the INDIAN with the arrow . Thats two different men with two different Dashers. My math that 6 for Dasher and 1 for BRA.

It’s just a matter of time! For Three years I’ve been saying the Dasher was overbore and threw shots! Took a lot of heat over it. Now, others see it to! Don’t get me wrong the Dasher with the right reamer, right powder, right shooter is still formidable. But the 6BRA has the edge in agging ability, ease of tuning, and making brass.

In the 600 yard arena most of the matches I’ve been to, have been won with either a 6BR or 6BRA. Now if you head over to Piedmont you’ve got some pretty tough guys over there like Chris Nicoles and Jeff Godfrey that can wear you out with a Dasher! But I’ve seen several shooters go from the Outhouse to the Penthouse and the only thing they changed was ditch the Dasher for a 6BRA! That includes yours truly!

Probably a better test would be to put a Dasher and a 6BRA in the hands of a relatively new shooter. That would be fun to see.

Most of the top guys can figure out how to make any decent combination work! I’m not married to any caliber. I’ll shoot whatever makes me the most competitive and the Dasher ain’t it folks!

Bart

 

[FrankG]

It’s just a matter of time! For Three years I’ve been saying the Dasher was overbore and threw shots! Took a lot of heat over it. Now, others see it to! Don’t get me wrong the Dasher with the right reamer, right powder, right shooter is still formidable. But the 6BRA has the edge in agging ability, ease of tuning, and making brass.

In the 600 yard arena most of the matches I’ve been to, have been won with either a 6BR or 6BRA. Now if you head over to Piedmont you’ve got some pretty tough guys over there like Chris Nicoles and Jeff Godfrey that can wear you out with a Dasher! But I’ve seen several shooters go from the Outhouse to the Penthouse and the only thing they changed was ditch the Dasher for a 6BRA! That includes yours truly!

Probably a better test would be to put a Dasher and a 6BRA in the hands of a relatively new shooter. That would be fun to see.

Most of the top guys can figure out how to make any decent combination work! I’m not married to any caliber. I’ll shoot whatever makes me the most competitive and the Dasher ain’t it folks!

Bart

Well someone finally said it or should I say said it again!?

Mark and I at work have talked on and off about the Dasher vs the BR or BRA and that the Dasher was a tad over case capacity and that short neck length isn’t necessarily helping either.

Bart, Maybe what we should try and do is make a couple of test barrels for each. Get a bullet maker or ammo maker or powder maker etc...and have them tested in controlled conditions and see which one is more consistent.

Yes I know there are a ton of variables from bullets, to loads and overall tuning etc....but I think it would be interesting nonetheless.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[WIB3]

what Aggs are we talking ? from three four years ago or current? 6 & 10 match agg's as well as single small 5 shot and single 10 shot targets have been falling for several Season now the 6BRA version being the Lion share 0f that in IBS Williams Sport NBRSA 1000 yard and six hundred with far less seasons under it and it will continue to lower the average aging bar if you will allow it to show you the way. don't treat it like its a dasher or some other version and it will show you a hole new gear.. there is not a sole on this planet than can make more consistent Dasher brass than the BRA version period.

Shawn Williams[/

what Aggs are we talking ? from three four years ago or current? 6 & 10 match agg's as well as single small 5 shot and single 10 shot targets have been falling for several Season now the 6BRA version being the Lion share 0f that in IBS Williams Sport NBRSA 1000 yard and six hundred with far less seasons under it and it will continue to lower the average aging bar if you will allow it to show you the way. don't treat it like its a dasher or some other version and it will show you a hole new gear.. there is not a sole on this planet than can make more consistent Dasher brass than the BRA version period.

Shawn Williams

Well Shawn over the past year I have shot 4, 100 score targets, 3 groups that measured less than 4 inches. All of these were shot at Williamsport, Pa. I fail to see your logic. No other shooter there shooting a BRA has come close. The last light gun match a wonderful lady shot 3.0” with a Dasher light gun. What is your point. I’m not downplaying the BRA but I don’t see any significant advantage.

 

[WIB3]

Tom, some are just spiteful. You wont tell them anything.

Alex it’s not about being spiteful, sometimes people buy a Ford and some people drive Chevrolet. BRA vs Dasher, I personally don’t see any advantage other than those who do their homework. The main advantage is in the Bullets that one is shooting and their knowledge of how to make them perform. Accuracy is in the hands of the reloader period. You can build a flawless bench gun but if the buyer has no clue .

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Alex it’s not about being spiteful, sometimes people buy a Ford and some people drive Chevrolet. BRA vs Dasher, I personally don’t see any advantage other than those who do their homework. The main advantage is in the Bullets that one is shooting and their knowledge of how to make them perform. Accuracy is in the hands of the reloader period. You can build a flawless bench gun but if the buyer has no clue .

In that case its spite. Our match start times are published and so are local sun rises.
This thread was not about convincing others of anything. Just sharing load data. I think everyone in doubt should stick to the dasher.

 

[Falfan2017]

It’s just a matter of time! For Three years I’ve been saying the Dasher was overbore and threw shots! Took a lot of heat over it. Now, others see it to! Don’t get me wrong the Dasher with the right reamer, right powder, right shooter is still formidable. But the 6BRA has the edge in agging ability, ease of tuning, and making brass.

In the 600 yard arena most of the matches I’ve been to, have been won with either a 6BR or 6BRA. Now if you head over to Piedmont you’ve got some pretty tough guys over there like Chris Nicoles and Jeff Godfrey that can wear you out with a Dasher! But I’ve seen several shooters go from the Outhouse to the Penthouse and the only thing they changed was ditch the Dasher for a 6BRA! That includes yours truly!

Probably a better test would be to put a Dasher and a 6BRA in the hands of a relatively new shooter. That would be fun to see.

Most of the top guys can figure out how to make any decent combination work! I’m not married to any caliber. I’ll shoot whatever makes me the most competitive and the Dasher ain’t it folks!

Bart

I volunteer to be that new shooter. Who’s got some rifles to donate to the cause?

 

[10at6]

I use the 6 BRA and it's not for benchrest, it's because forming good cases in a no turn is easy. Mine are no turn

 

[WIB3]

Merry

Frank, good idea if your selling too many barrels Guys take this personal for some reason, and if you do come to a conclusion, I'd bet you sell a lot less dasher barrels.
If anyone should have a loyalty to the dasher it would be Richard Schatz and I've chambered him a couple BRA barrels. I doubt he will ever go away from the dasher, he probably knows it better than anyone. Im with Bart. I will use any case, action, barrel, scope, ext. if its the best at that time.

Alex, this is nothing personal, someday I would like nothing more than to come to Montana and meet you and all of the shooters there. Unfortunately financially I can’t do it now. Would like nothing more than to sit down and shoot the ship with you and those who shoot there. Ultimately the world record is not even held by a 6mm. BRA’s shoot well as do Dashers. It’s the person at the bench who makes them shine.

 

[mikeeg02]

Well Shawn over the past year I have shot 4, 100 score targets, 3 groups that measured less than 4 inches. All of these were shot at Williamsport, Pa. I fail to see your logic. No other shooter there shooting a BRA has come close. The last light gun match a wonderful lady shot 3.0” with a Dasher light gun. What is your point. I’m not downplaying the BRA but I don’t see any significant advantage.

This year I've been fortunate enough to be leading the williamsport group agg in light gun since match 2 with my reamer in a 6br-improved. At the last heavy gun match last year I leant Mark Frye my gun in the shoot off and shot the second smallest group of the year in heavy gun. 3.375" with a 17# gun. Well 16.4# last year. I've shot a few 4s myself and I'm getting closer to putting them in the 3s. Mind you this is my second year shooting 1k paper, and first year trying the aggregate.

Not trying to argue, because I think they both work. But the barrel i had been shooting at the first 5 matches this year had over 2,000 rounds on it. (Before I started the agg) And was still hammering. My barrels just haven't started to seem to die yet. Everyone I have it has over 1200 rounds. Aside from the one I just started shooting. I'm trying some new things with this barrel.

 

[BartsBullets]

Well someone finally said it or should I say said it again!?

Mark and I at work have talked on and off about the Dasher vs the BR or BRA and that the Dasher was a tad over case capacity and that short neck length isn’t necessarily helping either.

Bart, Maybe what we should try and do is make a couple of test barrels for each. Get a bullet maker or ammo maker or powder maker etc...and have them tested in controlled conditions and see which one is more consistent.

Yes I know there are a ton of variables from bullets, to loads and overall tuning etc....but I think it would be interesting nonetheless.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

Frank,

That’s a good idea!

I put out a 100 yard Dasher Challenge a few years ago. I probably went through 30 Dasher barrels and the best aggregate I could put up was around a .230 to 240 at 100 yards. The Grinch or 6BRA will shoot circles around it! Not a single person posted a competitive agg from a Dasher.

A guy like Mark would be a good candidate to give it a try! Or we can just give it a few years!

Bart

 

[WIB3]

This year I've been fortunate enough to be leading the williamsport group agg in light gun since match 2 with my reamer in a 6br-improved. At the last heavy gun match last year I leant Mark Frye my gun in the shoot off and shot the second smallest group of the year in heavy gun. 3.375" with a 17# gun. Well 16.4# last year. I've shot a few 4s myself and I'm getting closer to putting them in the 3s. Mind you this is my second year shooting 1k paper, and first year trying the aggregate.

Not trying to argue, because I think they both work. But the barrel i had been shooting at the first 5 matches this year had over 2,000 rounds on it. (Before I started the agg) And was still hammering. My barrels just haven't started to seem to die yet. Everyone I have it has over 1200 rounds. Aside from the one I just started shooting. I'm trying some new things with this barrel.

Your group come in second to my Dasher

 

[WIB3]

I shot the smallest group of the year in 2018 at Williamsport with a Dasher, shooting 103VT.

 

[mikeeg02]

Your group come in second to my Dasher

Lol well that aint too bad for someones first year tuning a rifle for 1k paper now is it? Which was also a light gun shooting in the heavy class. Was yours a light gun?

EDIT: Not to mention is was only .043" larger Using some crappy old berger hybrids.....

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Merry

Alex, this is nothing personal, someday I would like nothing more than to come to Montana and meet you and all of the shooters there. Unfortunately financially I can’t do it now. Would like nothing more than to sit down and shoot the ship with you and those who shoot there. Ultimately the world record is not even held by a 6mm. BRA’s shoot well as do Dashers. It’s the person at the bench who makes them shine.

Im not saying you are but some do. I just dont have loyalty to cases, or parts. What is best. Most just do not seem to understand testing. You put the barrels in the best tuner's hands and have them test in the best conditions. I do not care what happens when the wind is blowing. I want to know what case will shoot more 1"s in perfect conditions. Tuning it for wind or steering it in the match is up to the shooter. There are a lot of world records, what one are you talking about?

 

[WIB3]

Lol well that aint too bad for someones first year tuning a rifle for 1k paper now is it? Which was also a light gun shooting in the heavy class. Was yours a light gun?

EDIT: Not to mention is was only .043" larger Using some crappy old berger hybrids.....

You did not shoot that group. I was there. And have you backed it up. I have.