The 22 Waldog was a .125 shortened PPC.
6BR vrs 6PPC
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Gary,
You’re certainly are not alone! There are plenty of folks who enjoy tinkering and experimenting! They just have to be different! That’s great! Really it comes down to how a person is geared!
But that’s not me! I’m a competitor first and foremost! When I go to a match I give it everything I have. I want to give myself the best possible chance of doing well. That means the best possible equipment and components that I can get my hands on! If I do well, great! If not, that’s ok to! It just means I’ve got to go home and fix/figure out what happened and work harder!
If I’m experimenting its because I’m looking for a competitive edge or advantage (I have done plenty of experimenting). I’m trying to improve on what I have! I have no desire to be different for the sake Of being different! But to each his own!
Bart
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Quality .900 jackets are out there but Availability can be an issue. The .900 is what I make my 80 gr Dominators on!
Bart
The old adage about good bullets and barrels is true. No case can win without both, consistently. Apparently, the quality issues are resolved and bullets in the weight class that are suitable for them are becoming more popular, as more and more people are shooting the 80 class bullets in something...be it a ppc, grendel, br or something else.
Then we are experimenting for the same reasons Bart. I do enjoy trying new things but I don't like to spend much time on things that don't work. I'm sticking with the 6 Grendel for now. I'll do a lot more testing over the winter but mainly just to try to get everything from it that I can. The big work, if you want to call it that is done. All that's left is to continue to better learn the cartridge's nuances, IMO.
Gentleman you are getting into a “pithing” contest and don’t need to! My question is basically what can be done to make the BR more SHORT range competitive vrs the PPC. Is it reasonable to even try to change it. I’m not a competitor nor will I ever be. Both cartridges have their shooting niche,BUT the cases are very close to each other and different head sizes. I’ve just wondered could the BR be converted into a better short range cartridge OR .... ?
We forgot all about you! Here's a couple of questions. What type of competition will you be shooting? Group or score? How much can your gun weight?
Google a 6 TALL dog, not a waldog. And if you aren't competing, NO, it's not worth it imho.
I agree with Mike! For short range 100-300 you can optimize the 6BR with a 12 twist barrel and 80 gr bullets. Otherwise stick to the 6ppc.
Actually, I was thinking along the lines of shortening the case and changing shoulder angle, etc but yes, I agree with Bart, changing bullet weight, length, bearing surface and powders is also optimizing a cartridge.
Bart , you’re forgetting that I’m not nor will I ever be a competitor. I’m just curious because I’ve got rifles with that boltface and want to shoot short range ,1-300 yds. without changing the boltface . Someone else besides Mike has suggested the Talldog which might be a possibility or just a BR set up to shoot your 80-90 grn. bullet .
I agree gentlemen and you gentlemen have forgotten more than I’ll ever know! I think your bullets in a 12 twist BR or Talldog is the way to go.I’m now wondering who would have a suitable Talldog reemer and dies OR for a guy like me just keep it simple stupid and go with the BR . I don’t mind the challenge of the Talldog though !
Murray Brook
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If the bullet weight were pushed to say 90-95 grs would one be better off with a 10 twist or stay with the 12 twist. TKS
Well, right now I'm talking the talk, but not walking the walk, so to speak. I'm doing 6BR, BRA, Dasher, and XC. Couldn't be more conformist if I tried. I've never shot a PPC, but if I were to take up SR BR at this point, I'm to old/tired/lazy to swim up that stream, and do anything else. I've sold my big lathe and mill and am kind of winding down. Not much "tinkering and experimenting" now.
~Gary
WyleWD
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Most of the competition(s) that I shoot are 100,200, & 300yds or some combination thereof. Three years ago we began experimenting with the 12tw 6br and using 80gr bullets in those competitions. And to summarize the whole thing in a nutshell, Bart hit the nail on the head in post #47 above. The 12tw BR with 80's is what I think you're looking for. That said, I would also add the BRA with a 12Twist and 80's to that list. There are several really great 80gr bullets out there and Barts Dominators are for sure a top consideration.
And to muddy the water a bit there's an awful lot to like about the 12TW 6 Grendel too, I've been quite impressed with it.
We have several PPC's that we shoot so we're able to make a direct comparison of the 3 on any given day, and for what you state that your objective is.... 6br with a 12Tw and 80's is what I'd recommend especially since you're talking 300yds. JME. WD
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