bsumoba said:now, when you say you cannot get them to shoot, what do you mean?
bad vertical, flyers, groups in +3/8" groups?
I only have 94 rounds through the barrel and it looked like it was starting to shoot in the 2's and some groups in the 1's for 3-shot groups. This to me seems promising.
Ben I have also seen the same thing. In most guns it seems the 108 is easier to tune but if you get the VLD working it shoots smaller. I also think it does slightly better in wind. Some of my best 100 yard loads have been my worst at 1000. I have had loads that shot ES of 3 to 5 and shot extremely small 5 shot groups at 100 and they just fell apart at 1000. I can't see how people figure 100 yard groups out because my guns don't seem to show much, especially vertical. Like I said I had extremely small 100 yard groups show up as 13 to 16 inches at 1000. Maybe that is why people think the Hybrid is so good. They just didn't shoot in my guns or in a lot of other guys guns. I did see them shoot good in one gun. Maybe it is a twist thing because most of the guys are running an 8 twist. MattShootDots said:bsumoba said:now, when you say you cannot get them to shoot, what do you mean?
bad vertical, flyers, groups in +3/8" groups?
I only have 94 rounds through the barrel and it looked like it was starting to shoot in the 2's and some groups in the 1's for 3-shot groups. This to me seems promising.
Bryan, once you believe you have a good load, try this: Go out to 600 yards (1000 is better but you may not be near a 1000 yard range) and shoot 5+ / 5 shot groups. With VLD's and even the 108 Berger (which I think is a GREAT bullet) under excellent conditions (which means little or no wind and NO heat waves) you should be able to get inside 2 inches and under 1.5" is not out of the question. I have yet to be able to get the Hybrids to shoot like a VLD. The groups size will be readily apparent.
I am fortunate to live close to a 1000 yard range. ALL my "final" testing is done at 1000 yards. I have seen groups get HORRIBLE vertical at 1000 and shoot GREAT from 600 yards and closer. However, I have NEVER seen GREAT groups at 1000 fail inside that range.
dkhunt14 said:Ben I have also seen the same thing. In most guns it seems the 108 is easier to tune but if you get the VLD working it shoots smaller. I also think it does slightly better in wind. Some of my best 100 yard loads have been my worst at 1000. I have had loads that shot ES of 3 to 5 and shot extremely small 5 shot groups at 100 and they just fell apart at 1000. I can't see how people figure 100 yard groups out because my guns don't seem to show much, especially vertical. Like I said I had extremely small 100 yard groups show up as 13 to 16 inches at 1000. Maybe that is why people think the Hybrid is so good. They just didn't shoot in my guns or in a lot of other guys guns. I did see them shoot good in one gun. Maybe it is a twist thing because most of the guys are running an 8 twist. MattShootDots said:bsumoba said:now, when you say you cannot get them to shoot, what do you mean?
bad vertical, flyers, groups in +3/8" groups?
I only have 94 rounds through the barrel and it looked like it was starting to shoot in the 2's and some groups in the 1's for 3-shot groups. This to me seems promising.
Bryan, once you believe you have a good load, try this: Go out to 600 yards (1000 is better but you may not be near a 1000 yard range) and shoot 5+ / 5 shot groups. With VLD's and even the 108 Berger (which I think is a GREAT bullet) under excellent conditions (which means little or no wind and NO heat waves) you should be able to get inside 2 inches and under 1.5" is not out of the question. I have yet to be able to get the Hybrids to shoot like a VLD. The groups size will be readily apparent.
I am fortunate to live close to a 1000 yard range. ALL my "final" testing is done at 1000 yards. I have seen groups get HORRIBLE vertical at 1000 and shoot GREAT from 600 yards and closer. However, I have NEVER seen GREAT groups at 1000 fail inside that range.
BY1983 said:See how long your brass lasts at 34gr. At 31.8gr H4895 I started getting loose primer pockets.