6 Dasher, Alpha Brass

[Mudder]

View attachment 1131356 It’s seems to be shooting well with the .08 flash hole.

Tom I don’t know if I would worry toooo much about what 10 people here at ArrogantShooter.com say....these are the same people who insisted Norma make Dasher brass with long necks (among other things), and look how that turned out.
PS- they also think Nightforce scopes are faulty, Hogden powders are formulated wrong, and BAT actions are blah, blah, blah.

 

[dmoran]

Tom I don’t know if I would worry toooo much about what 10 people here at ArrogantShooter.com say....these are the same people who insisted Norma make Dasher brass with long necks (among other things), and look how that turned out.
PS- they also think Nightforce scopes are faulty, Hogden powders are formulated wrong, and BAT actions are blah, blah, blah.

Are you a CNN reporter?
If not, you remind me of one, how you generalize people and mediate actuality.

 

[Tony1320]

I looked for dimensions on the Alpha site for the dasher brass, it's not shown. Can anyone state any dimensions of this brass, or how close it is to Lapua 6mmbr blown out brass.

I read on one of their facebook posts it was close to fireformed Lapua Dasher. They are seeing about 20 FPS more velocity with the same charge as in Lapua brass

It runs .0128-.013 neck thickness. They recommend a reamer neck diameter of .273-.274

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Are you a CNN reporter?
If not, you remind me of one, how you generalize people and mediate actuality.

He actually contributed and comes back

 

[Mudder]

Are you a CNN reporter?
If not, you remind me of one, how you generalize people and mediate actuality.

People who read the recent 6 Dasher Alpha Brass thread, that was deleted because of attacks on Alpha, may understand where I’m coming from.

I strongly disagree with attacking a hard working, American company who is trying to bring us wanted new products.

Youre not the only person on here that gets an opinion.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I spoke with Richard Schatz the other night about his experience with the Alpha 6 dasher brass. He said the consistency was so good it reminded him of the first Lapua 6br cases he ever bought. He said the weights and neck thickness consistency was better than anything he's seen for a while. So they certainly have that going for them. He obviously thought highly enough of the cases to shoot them in our championship match. Its at least worth giving them a chance and tuning them from the get go on the larger holes to see what they will do.


So far as scopes and actions, or any thing else, no need to think anything. The proof is in front of your face IF you have the desire and ability to test and measure. The posters here deny the truth far more than the manufactures do. The fact theres so much denial tells me very few actually check anything.

 

[spclark]

The posters here deny the truth far more than the manufactures do. The fact there's so much denial tells me very few actually check anything.

Whoo boy, that's a mouthfull!

I've shot Alpha's, Peterson's and Lapua's 308WIN SRP ("Palma) brass side by side, seen no differences I can attribute to the brass on target out to 1,000 yards. Have a couple hundred Alpha 6XC SRP cases, markedly more consistent weight-wise than any I'd ever received made by Norma.

 

[AM_ARixon]

I looked for dimensions on the Alpha site for the dasher brass, it's not shown. Can anyone state any dimensions of this brass, or how close it is to Lapua 6mmbr blown out brass.

If anyone has questions concerning the dimensions of our 6 Dasher brass you can contact me through the website or email: andrew@alphamunitions.com. The Dasher brass is designed to work in chambers cut for fire formed lapua br brass. We performed extensive testing with our brass and have shown fantastic results, if we had not we would not have released it. I understand shooters are skeptical of new dasher brass, that is why we had the best shooters testing it. We have wins with it in multiple shooting disciplines, but I don't want to list our results as I'd rather see our customers posting their results so that it will be total unbiased, even though our testing was anyway. Try our brass, tune your load for it, and see how it shoots.

Dmoran, from the other thread which was deleted I tried reaching out to you 3 times via phone, sent follow-up emails and never heard anything back from you; seems as though you just like to sit on forums and get attention.

 

[Delfuego]

I only wish it was a little cheaper. That would make it much easier for me to take a chance. Why is there a 15% luxury tax on this caliber? (+44% over 308 brass) This simple formula could be the different between success or failure in my opinion.

 

[shoot4fun]

We had a PRS shooter (well actually two of them) show up at our October club BR match. The range actually dictates we shoot 520 yards instead of 600 and, though we generally abide by IBS rules, we provide separate classes for factory and modified rifles. Both shot 6 Dashers; repeaters but single loaded during the match. The wife shot Lapua formed brass and the husband had Alpha. I spent time talking to him about the brass and he showed me his Labradar data, a load in the high 2900 range with an SD of 1.7 for ten shots. The brass is indeed close enough to FF Lapua that no different reamer will be required. They decided they didn't want to sit at the benches but instead benched the rifles on bipods, stood directly behind the bench and bent at the waist. Not exactly the sturdiest of positions. Bottom line, the Alpha brass produce a four target agg right at 1/2 MOA and one of the four was a nice tight 1.4" cluster.
I know, not necessarily lab conditions nor does one instance make it the normal. Alpha has garnered an excellent reputation for quality in their relatively short life and, as @AM_ARixon says, many wins to their credit. Time will tell if they are able to garner the same rep and the same victories in the long-range BR game but I will not count them out.

 

[AM_ARixon]

I only wish it was a little cheaper. That would make it much easier for me to take a chance. Why is there a 15% luxury tax on this caliber? (+44% over 308 brass) This simple formula could be the different between success or failure in my opinion.

Delfuego, the reason for the increased price is due to the increased cost to manufacture the Dasher case. Due to its very thin walls and 40 degree shoulder it is a very challenging case to manufacture in volume. This could be rumor mill so do not take it as gospel, but when Lapua tested production for dasher they hit 30%+ scrap rate which is not economic for manufacturing. We spent a lot of money in development, trying different methods to produce a case we could call Alpha Grade. We had nailed an initial prototype very quickly but we found many flaws which brought about redesigns to different aspects of the case. Our final 6 dasher case is culmination of a year and a half of work and testing.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Delfuego, the reason for the increased price is due to the increased cost to manufacture the Dasher case. Due to its very thin walls and 40 degree shoulder it is a very challenging case to manufacture in volume. This could be rumor mill so do not take it as gospel, but when Lapua tested production for dasher they hit 30%+ scrap rate which is not economic for manufacturing. We spent a lot of money in development, trying different methods to produce a case we could call Alpha Grade. We had nailed an initial prototype very quickly but we found many flaws which brought about redesigns to different aspects of the case. Our final 6 dasher case is culmination of a year and a half of work and testing.

thank you for the effort. What else you have in the plans?

 

[Mulligan]

thank you for the effort. What else you have in the plans?

Good question Dusty
Maybe if it’s not already in the plans, they can be persuaded to make some 300 WSM brass????
CW

 

[Stan Taylor]

I have seen a lot of discussion on this new brass are we going to have an option of small flash hole as opposed to an .080 flash hole.

 

[tom]

If a smaller flash hole proves more accurate we will make it, but we haven’t seen that in testing.

Assuming you didn't throw away the tooling to make the smaller diameter flash holes. I still have one of the best dasher barrels I've ever seen laying here, and enough powder primers and bullets it was on. I would pay the going rate for some of each, and test this out at distance if you'd like. If there's something to be gained I'm cool with putting in some effort on my end.


Tom

 

[22DASHER]

Well you ain’t going to find a better offer from a more proven shooter than that right there!! I’d be taking that offer right up.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Now that's an offer you cannot pass up. A barrel that held a group aggregate record at 1000 yd, won a nationals, and the guy that tuned it. That is how you test.

 

[Hoodoo]

Now that's an offer you cannot pass up. A barrel that held a group aggregate record at 1000 yd, won a nationals, and the guy that tuned it. That is how you test.

I think I speak for all of the Deep Creek regular's when I say "Please lord, don't give Tom the the opportunity to bring that barrel out of retirement."

 

[Stan Taylor]

I think I speak for all of the Deep Creek regular's when I say "Please lord, don't give Tom the the opportunity to bring that barrel out of retirement."

I wouldn't worry too much he probably will wear it out testing it LOL.

 

[noload]

AM-ARIXON and shootforfun, thanks for you input on the Alpha brass .