6 Dasher, Alpha Brass

[johara1]

No, Stanley at the national at White horse, the wind was so bad it blew my aluminum mirage shield off and wrapped it around my scope... Jim

 

[Raythemanroe]

No, Stanley at the national at White horse, the wind was so bad it blew my aluminum mirage shield off and wrapped it around my scope... Jim

That was probably one of those WSM's next to you..

Ray

 

[ASbobcat]

With the Dasher I was getting a 100 +......... Jim

My question was with regard to ALPHA brass. I know it's confusing because this thread has gotten so far off the original topic.

 

[johara1]

My question was with regard to ALPHA brass. I know it's confusing because this thread has gotten so far off the original topic.

Your right, but now you know what to compare it to in Lapua...... Jim

 

[Stan Taylor]

No, Stanley at the national at White horse, the wind was so bad it blew my aluminum mirage shield off and wrapped it around my scope... Jim

That's Whitehorse lol

 

[ASbobcat]

Your right, but now you know what to compare it to in Lapua...... Jim

I stopped counting at 100 and probably have well over 200 cycles on some of mine.
I always get a chuckle when I read about someone complaining how expensive Lapua brass is.

 

[johara1]

I stopped counting at 100 and probably have well over 200 cycles on some of mine.
I always get a chuckle when I read about someone complaining how expensive Lapua brass is.

Yep, if they aren't getting good life they are doing something wrong ......... Jim

 

[steve123]

I agree with Sheldon, across the board. Not too surprising considering we play the same game. If Alpha was looking to steal Lapua customers in the BR or F-Class areas, it'd be a tough row to hoe and probably not worth it. I think the opportunity is in providing tactical match shooters with ready to go Dasher brass that works in a traditional Lapua Dasher chamber. While other BR variants are used, I'd estimate 70% of tactical match shooters who use a BR based case use the Dasher. If there was a no-fireform option, it's popularity would probably grow significantly, in a market subset that is already growing fast and is brass hungry.

I actually think if the Norma Dasher brass had been better received here, it would be a lot more popular for tactical match shooters. But the guys who were bothering to figure out the Dasher fireforming and mag feeding wanted every possible edge, and the Lapua is clearly favored by the BR guys who will notice the difference. Those shooters in turn recommend the Lapua route to the next guy who adopts a BR variant, and thus the trend is set. Our matches are (occasionally) won by guys shooting Hornady factory ammo, so while better is of course preferred, I think a Norma Dasher would be good enough for us 99% of the time. I'm running Lapua cases in my competition Dasher and trimmed Norma in my practice/loaner Dasher right now. I need to work up a load in the Norma cases and put a few more firings on them to see how everything goes. If it performs to my standards, I could see a Norma Dasher reamer in my future.

However, if Alpha starts production and the dimensions aren't screwy, I'd probably go that route.[/QUOTE

I agree with Sheldon, across the board. Not too surprising considering we play the same game. If Alpha was looking to steal Lapua customers in the BR or F-Class areas, it'd be a tough row to hoe and probably not worth it. I think the opportunity is in providing tactical match shooters with ready to go Dasher brass that works in a traditional Lapua Dasher chamber. While other BR variants are used, I'd estimate 70% of tactical match shooters who use a BR based case use the Dasher. If there was a no-fireform option, it's popularity would probably grow significantly, in a market subset that is already growing fast and is brass hungry.

I actually think if the Norma Dasher brass had been better received here, it would be a lot more popular for tactical match shooters. But the guys who were bothering to figure out the Dasher fireforming and mag feeding wanted every possible edge, and the Lapua is clearly favored by the BR guys who will notice the difference. Those shooters in turn recommend the Lapua route to the next guy who adopts a BR variant, and thus the trend is set. Our matches are (occasionally) won by guys shooting Hornady factory ammo, so while better is of course preferred, I think a Norma Dasher would be good enough for us 99% of the time. I'm running Lapua cases in my competition Dasher and trimmed Norma in my practice/loaner Dasher right now. I need to work up a load in the Norma cases and put a few more firings on them to see how everything goes. If it performs to my standards, I could see a Norma Dasher reamer in my future.

However, if Alpha starts production and the dimensions aren't screwy, I'd probably go that route.

Along with making Dasher brass, Alpha could take it a step farther by offering necks already turned. Much like Sierra started pointing bullets to compete with other brands that offered higher BC bullets.

Innovation

 

[Cuando]

 

[Cuando]

 

[dmoran]

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A 0.058" flash-hole can always be opened up to a larger size if the end user desires. Personally would like 6Dasher brass made with a center punch mark only, for the user to determine and finish the flash-holes to there own desires.

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[benchrest]

ha
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killin me

so im not the only one that noticed that thread vanished

cant beat a .080 flash hole!

 

[Tom Danielson]

It’s seems to be shooting well with the .08 flash hole.

 

[mikeeg02]

View attachment 1131356 It’s seems to be shooting well with the .08 flash hole.

I'm in no way making light or little of what you shot, but what does it shoot at distance is the question I'm most interested in.

 

[Tom Danielson]

I'm in no way making light or little of what you shot, but what does it shoot at distance is the question I'm most interested in.

If a smaller flash hole proves more accurate we will make it, but we haven’t seen that in testing. During our testing the brass won the largest PRS match in the country, one of the most well known Benchrest Dasher shooters took home a win in Montana and several top F-class shooters signed off on the performance. Zero accuracy issues have been reported. Once we get the brass into more shooters hands we will have the data points to draw a conclusion. We look forward to the community trying the brass and providing feedback on how it performs.

 

[mikeeg02]

If a smaller flash hole proves more accurate we will make it, but we haven’t seen that in testing. During our testing the brass won the largest PRS match in the country, one of the most well known Benchrest Dasher shooters took home a win in Montana and several top F-class shooters signed off on the performance. Zero accuracy issues have been reported. Once we get the brass into more shooters hands we will have the data points to draw a conclusion. We look forward to the community trying the brass and providing feedback on how it performs.

These are the results I want to see. Not that it's the same, but I have your 260 srp brass and have had good luck with it.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Im going to give some a try for sure as soon as i can get some

 

[johara1]

Jim, are you certain the 6 Dasher will shoot inside the .308? The huge majority of F-T/R shooters, who shoot 1000 yards, are using the Berger 200-20X bullet. They are running the bullet +/- 2700 f.p.s. The wind drift of those bullets at 1000 yards (from a 300 yard sight-in) is 6.5 M.O.A. of wind drift.
The 6mm Dasher shooters I know generally shoot about 2975f.p.s. with some VLD Berger or someone else's bullet. The B.C. of those bullets are .495.. Even though they are nearly 300 f.p.s., faster, they drift 7.9 M.O.A. at 1000..
If the M.O.A. at 1000 yards is just about 1 inch, then the .308 will shoot 1.4 M.O.A. (or right at 14 inches) inside a 6mm Dasher! That is quite a bit of difference betwixt the 2!
Look at it this way Jim: If the .308 200-20X lands right on the 3 o'clock side of the 10 ring, and the point of hold was the same, the Dasher is going to be right on the 9 ring. ANY miss-hold from a SLIGHTLY errant wind call would put the Dasher in the 8 ring.

BTW wind drift on my 6 br imp. with a 110SMK bc. is .617@2914 with .1 min. accuracy wind drift 1000 in a 10mph.wind is 6.1 Moa. ....... jim

 

[noload]

I looked for dimensions on the Alpha site for the dasher brass, it's not shown. Can anyone state any dimensions of this brass, or how close it is to Lapua 6mmbr blown out brass.

 

[shoot4fun]

My question was with regard to ALPHA brass. I know it's confusing because this thread has gotten so far off the original topic.

It veered off course about post #2 and isn't coming back.