dmoran said:
CatShooter said:
... but if easy feeding were not a consideration, and raw accuracy is the only consideration, then neck sizing is the hands down the winner - not to mention very long case life.
"Crush is your friend"
That is a totally biased statement and in no way the truth....
As to "
Crush is your friend".... it is risky and can be very dangerous, that has extreme limitations for success.
Inconsistent pressure and spiked pressure is the inherited risk of crush fits.
And is some of the worse advise I've yet to see.....
To those of you who wonder why I don't post here no more... it is statements like this, by indicative keyboarders, that reply's [sic] with a corruption of truth, for some self serving motivation only.
Donovan
Donovan.. your comments make no sense.
First, how are they "biased"?? Biased in what way? Biased means that someone has a vested interest in one side of an issue - (like I sold neck sizing dies, so I was biased against FL dies), and that effects what I am saying, but I have no vested interest - I don't make or sell neck sizing dies, so I can have no bias.
Plus, saying
".... it is risky and can be very dangerous, that has extreme limitations for success. Inconsistent pressure and spiked pressure is the inherited risk of crush fits." is so silly that it is beyond description - why?... Because all, or almost all, bench shooters use crush!
The standing instructions for setting a FL die are to remove the ejector and extractor, and set the FL die so the bolt handle will fall approximately 1/3 to 1/2 way down and come to a stop before completely closing on the FL sized case. Why does the bolt handle come to a stop half way down, Donovan??
Because the case shoulder has hit the chamber shoulder - and that is because the case is longer than the chamber by several thou... then when you close the bolt completely, you compress, or "crush" the case by several thou. You do it, and most (if not all) successful bench shooters do it... yet you claim that it is
"... it is risky and can be very dangerous, that has extreme limitations for success. Inconsistent pressure and spiked pressure is the inherited risk of crush fits."
Just exactly, how is it dangerous? How does it have any effect on the pressure at all, since you do it, and most everyone else does it, and no one is blowing up... they are shooting tiny groups, when they close their bolt on a case that is several thou longer than the chamber.
The length of the case, when longer than the chamber has absolutely no effect on pressure, since it does not effect anything in the pressure making part of the system.
You need to think before you rant... you do the very thing you are ranting against. I just do it on purpose, and by a few more thou. My bolt stops close to the top, and yours stops half way down. A few thou difference.
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ewspears said:
catshooter,
You Said: "... but if easy feeding were not a consideration, and raw accuracy is the only consideration, then neck sizing is the hands down the winner - not to mention very long case life."
If You limit that statement to only include store bought Redding and RCBS Dies then I agree!
But I need to inform you that the best benchrest shooters for the most part buy a resize reamer that is a perfect setup for there chamber reamer (doesn't re size brass anymore than necessary to allow smooth bolt closure)
They then make there own FL resizing die from a newlon blank, get it heat treated-hardened, and then polish out the .0003" to .0005" it shrinks in heat treatment.
This results in a die/chamber setup that will maintain .0002" neck concentricity which is not possible in any of the following:
1) Any Die that uses a floating Bushing for Necksize
2) Any die that pulls a sizing button thru the neck I.D.
I need to clarify my statement; When I speak of benchrest shooters I was talking about 100 & 200yd. NBRSA or IBS Competition. Shooting 6PPC, 30PPC, & 30BR!
This so out of context that it requires no reply - it is silliness to an extreme.
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What is really sad is... that all of you missed the main part of what I said - it was about us making rules with a quick "committee's" discussion without thought of the unintended consequences down the road.
We make a rule change about the weight, and the best design scopes disappear, and are replaced by poor substitutes. I have heard hundreds of shooters complain about unreliable elevation and windage tracking in modern BR scopes - I have NEVER heard one complaint about unreliable tracking with a Unertl or Targetspot.
Mitchel tried to get an external adjusting scope to market, but apparently, he retired and no one had what it took to keep it going. Some very knowledgeable folks are freezing the internal adjustments of modern scopes and making external mounts for them.
So we lost a valuable asset, and now we try to reinvent the wheel, so to speak.
Did we do good???