6 ARC V 6 Grendel

[284winner]

Bottom line. A 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel will effectively kill deer at 500 yards. You can argue that all you want but it's a true statement if I'm shooting either. That said, there are better 500 yard options. Doesn't mean I'm telling anybody that either one are poor choices for that intended use.

 

[JavmanSTX]

I personally have the 6Gr and with 105 RDFs getting 2740fps is easy and it takes me way out there!

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Did Hornady block anyone from developing any of the 6MM wildcats into commercial cartridges? No!

I researched the 6ARC quite awhile before I built one. Hornady was open about the development process, but they didn't need to be. In business you promote yourself, not the competition.

If wildcat developers wanted to commercialize their development they should have done so, if those who support the wildcatters efforts didn't step up and help them commercialize it, that's on them.

People need to tell the story as it was. Whoever it was developed this but didn't commercialize it. Hornady modified that concept and commercialized it.

Hornady put an oversized belt on the 458 x 2, called it the 450 Marlin Magnum. Does the person who came up with the 458 x 2 deserve credit for the 450 Marlin?

No, because like the 6MM ARC no credit is due. That person gets credit for the 458 x 2 which became nothing.

That’s your opinion and I have mine. Not gonna argue with you because none of it matters in the least and there’s no reason to get all riled up about it.

Hornady has done some great things for the shooting world in the last 10-15 years by making wildcats commercially available. Good on them. Just wish they would focus more on making quality instead of quantity. Their brass is garbage and their reloading products and bullets are middle of the road. But maybe quality doesn’t make them as much money as marketing to the masses with more affordable products that “get the job done”. China seems to do well that way too

 

[284winner]

That’s your opinion and I have mine. Not gonna argue with you because none of it matters in the least and there’s no reason to get all riled up about it.

Hornady has done some great things for the shooting world in the last 10-15 years by making wildcats commercially available. Good on them. Just wish they would focus more on making quality instead of quantity. Their brass is garbage and their reloading products and bullets are middle of the road. But maybe quality doesn’t make them as much money as marketing to the masses with more affordable products that “get the job done”. China seems to do well that way too

I agree with about all you said about Hornady. Here's the thing tho. Many of us are not competition shooters. Many are recreational shooters and hunters. The bullets Hornady makes, work perfectly fine for both of those. Lots of guys hate their bullets. I get it. If I throw one in the 10 ring, I still take home an Elk.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

I agree with about all you said about Hornady. Here's the thing tho. Many of us are not competition shooters. Many are recreational shooters and hunters. The bullets Hornady makes, work perfectly fine for both of those. Lots of guys hate their bullets. I get it. If I throw one in the 10 ring, I still take home an Elk.

Well said. Hornady knows where the money is at

 

[Raptor]

I built one in an AR and was so impressed with it that I built one in a bolt gun. 22" barrel and it is the most accurate rifle I have ever had. I shoot 90 Bergers in mine at 3040+fps. I built one because of barrel life. I honestly believe it will double anything else out there....

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Did Hornady block anyone from developing any of the 6MM wildcats into commercial cartridges? No!

I researched the 6ARC quite awhile before I built one. Hornady was open about the development process, but they didn't need to be. In business you promote yourself, not the competition.

If wildcat developers wanted to commercialize their development they should have done so, if those who support the wildcatters efforts didn't step up and help them commercialize it, that's on them.

People need to tell the story as it was. Whoever it was developed this but didn't commercialize it. Hornady modified that concept and commercialized it.

Hornady put an oversized belt on the 458 x 2, called it the 450 Marlin Magnum. Does the person who came up with the 458 x 2 deserve credit for the 450 Marlin?

No, because like the 6MM ARC no credit is due. That person gets credit for the 458 x 2 which became nothing.

Say and see it how you want but they capitalized on someone esle's work and made minor changes for the sole reason of getting around that person's work. I get what you're saying but they did nearly nothing in the nuts and bolts of designing it, fwiw.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

That’s your opinion and I have mine. Not gonna argue with you because none of it matters in the least and there’s no reason to get all riled up about it.

Hornady has done some great things for the shooting world in the last 10-15 years by making wildcats commercially available. Good on them. Just wish they would focus more on making quality instead of quantity. Their brass is garbage and their reloading products and bullets are middle of the road. But maybe quality doesn’t make them as much money as marketing to the masses with more affordable products that “get the job done”. China seems to do well that way too

You said the key word...marketing. Hornady deserves credit for bringing a very fine cartridge to the market through their fine marketing work. I'll stop right there as that's pretty much it.

 

[David Milisock]

Say and see it how you want but they capitalized on someone esle's work and made minor changes for the sole reason of getting around that person's work. I get what you're saying but they did nearly nothing in the nuts and bolts of designing it, fwiw.

I have no idea why Hornady made the case dimension changes they did. Maybe it was to circumvent any claim on the design by someone else, maybe as it was a DOD project it was a DOD request. Who knows?

What I do know is that as long as they did nothing to prevent whoever designed the original concept wildcat from getting a SAAMI certification or a shot at a DOD contract they did nothing to argue with them about.

Should they give him credit? If everyone involved is reasonable sure but we all know how that can go. I do remember that they mentioned that there were various similar wildcats available before their design started.

 

[David Milisock]

You said the key word...marketing. Hornady deserves credit for bringing a very fine cartridge to the market through their fine marketing work. I'll stop right there as that's pretty much it.

I'll give Hornady good and bad chops for marketing. Good they got the word out about their products, bad because they don't pick consistent partners and therefore in the end fail to support some of the products enough.

With the 6ARC quality medium priced brand name complete uppers or rifles were only available for a short time. I'm lucky I got one, I don't want to build/assemble rifles. I want to buy one at a reasonable price with a reasonable warranty.

Their partnership with Marlin, specifically with the 450 was a bust. They now only sell a 350 grain FTX I believe it's called and the brass once fired is shorter than SAAMI spec. Yes I built a custom rifle anyway so I bought a bunch of proper brass for my 500 grain bolt gun loads but in the end thanks to BS marketing and lack luster support by Marlin and Hornady I have a difficult time with factory loads.

Do they really want me to believe that the FTX for the 30-30 is a world of improvement over the old 150 or 170 grain FT. Right!

Same said for the 444 Marlin, much ado about nothing. A very effective out to 225 yard 265 grain FT replaced by a very effective (250?) yard FTX. Get real!

 

[Laurie]

I have no idea why Hornady made the case dimension changes they did.

Almost certainly to stop a 6.5 Grendel cartridge being chambered in a 6ARC rifle, hence safety. (Same as Remington changed the shoulder position on the 280 Rem / 7mm Remington Express to stop it chambering in a 270 Winchester rifle some generations ago.)

The shorter case has the side benefit of allowing 105gn class bullets to be seated within the AR's 2.26-inch COAL ceiling without having to be seated excessively deeply.

 

[Varminterror]

How many commercial cartridges exist which weren't wildcatted by someone else which did not end up the namesake of the commercial cartridge once it was SAAMI standardized?

 

[Rtheurer]

There is a 6mm Fat Rat that is based on an improved version of the Grendel case as well. I believe it’s the same as the 6mm AR Turbo 40, but not exactly sure on case dimensions.

Correct. It's the same as the 6mm AR Turbo. Came about because of the Whitley Grip on the Turbo. So Greg made a couple small changes and I mean small, while renameing it 6mm Rat. The neck Diameter was a little tight so they made some changes and the changes became the 6mm FAT Rat. I have had several over the years.

 

[David Milisock]

How many commercial cartridges exist which weren't wildcatted by someone else which did not end up the namesake of the commercial cartridge once it was SAAMI standardized?

That's has to be a huge list!