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5th Round Flyer Phenomenon
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KMart
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Let me tryExplain the Marine Corps to me then, please.
If you are a Marine, I don't have to. You already understand.
If you are not a Marine, there is no way to explain what makes no sense.
dellet
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I find it more physiological than psychological.
It does not matter whether it’s the 3rd, 5th, 13th shot in a good group, there’s a point when I reach around and pat myself on the back. It must dislocate my shoulder or something because every time the first shot after that is outside the group.
It does not matter whether it’s the 3rd, 5th, 13th shot in a good group, there’s a point when I reach around and pat myself on the back. It must dislocate my shoulder or something because every time the first shot after that is outside the group.
This is why I say a little prayer before I look at the fifth shot. If it is in, I thank the Lord.
Dusty Stevens
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You have 7mins to run a group. The barrel could draw the heat from the bore if you shot the first 4 then waited i guess
jelenko
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Wait. I thought there have been lots of 5 shot [or 10 shot] groups where the last one is not a flyer.
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Brians356
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Just addressing OP's subject, verbatim: "5th Round Flyer Phenomenon".
I do not consider random "flyers" to truly be flyers, I consider them to reveal inherent dispersion. The fact that 4 shots, in whatever order, often happen to cluster means nothing. Coincidence is not rare, it happens all the time.
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jelenko
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Right. But, I was replying to the thought that the 5 shot would always be the furtherest out because the barrel had heated the most.
Brians356
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Got it. But of course I never asserted that. I only pointed out that the barrel would always be warmest for the 5th shot. That's possibly relevant if someone seeks to explain every 5th shot being a flyer.
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I've let my barrel cool to the point I don't feel heat and it still happens.
Brians356
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Oh. well, try shooting them in reverse order, shot #5 first, followed by shot #4, etc.
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Love It!
Ccrider
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I generally know when that fifth shot is in or out when it leaves my hand. For me it is definitely a feel thing. The gun seems like it is returning to battery by itself, I can’t miss and all in the world is right. If for some reason that fith shot goes out, I know it’s is the gun or load, not me. Or I know it’s me.
If it is me, I get back on the horse and shot 5 more times to prove it to myself. If it is the gun or load, I get back on the horse and shoot until I figure out the why.
If it is me, I get back on the horse and shot 5 more times to prove it to myself. If it is the gun or load, I get back on the horse and shoot until I figure out the why.
jelenko
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Exactly.
What if I am shooting 6 shot groups, but only shoot 5 shots? May eliminate the flier!?
All kidding aside, I found my last shot fliers were from neck and eye fatigue. Although most often I was shooting prone with a shooting mat, bipod, and sand bag.
We all have a physiology to deal with, and adrenaline rush is part of the mix. Adrenaline makes fine motor skills sluggish and decreases sensitivity, making it difficult to get the same "feel" and "execution" as you have without it. There are two keys to overcoming those negative effects, put yourself in the situation and practice compensating for it, and have a bullet proof routine that you never vary from. The routine should include a mental trigger that helps you start the mental focus of doing the entire task. An example would be to tap the bolt handle with your trigger finger. From there it's all business until the shot breaks. If something interrupts, you should start over from the bolt tap, just like it was the first time.
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