5th Round Flyer Phenomenon

[JTEX]

Not my quote but I don't remember who's it is, "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. And I'm sure this slice of chocolate cake won't kill me." That's as close to understanding a Marine as I can get. I was in the Air Force.

I know a few marines myself!

That's just great!

 

[Gargoyle]

I know a few marines myself!

That's just great!

Any Marines who have daughters want them to go into the Airforce! LOL

 

[KMart]

Explain the Marine Corps to me then, please.

Let me try
If you are a Marine, I don't have to. You already understand.
If you are not a Marine, there is no way to explain what makes no sense.

 

[JFrank]

99.8% of the time a 5th round flyer is the shooter’s fault. Its hard to argue 4 goes good then poof the 5th is out. Now the third or 4th ill buy an out of tune gun. Its usually always a trigger slap or a gun not returned to battery in a rush

IF’ it’s the last shot it could be looked at as a mental error otherwise its judged as 20% out of the group, either way if that continues through out the weekend aggregates would you say that competitor has much of a chance at placing well?

 

[Danoh]

Yep, do it myself constantly. lol

 

[dellet]

I find it more physiological than psychological.

It does not matter whether it’s the 3rd, 5th, 13th shot in a good group, there’s a point when I reach around and pat myself on the back. It must dislocate my shoulder or something because every time the first shot after that is outside the group.

 

[rogina]

99.8% of the time a 5th round flyer is the shooter’s fault. Its hard to argue 4 goes good then poof the 5th is out. Now the third or 4th ill buy an out of tune gun. Its usually always a trigger slap or a gun not returned to battery in a rush

This is why I say a little prayer before I look at the fifth shot. If it is in, I thank the Lord.

 

[Brians356]

Just thinking outside the psychological box here (it's the engineer in me, sorry) but, assuming the group is completed inside a few minutes (say ten minutes max) won't the 5th shot always be from barrel at it's peak temperature?
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[Dusty Stevens]

Just thinking outside the psychological box here (it's the engineer in me, sorry) but, assuming the group is completed inside a few minutes (say ten minutes max) won't the 5th shot always be from barrel at it's peak temperature?
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You have 7mins to run a group. The barrel could draw the heat from the bore if you shot the first 4 then waited i guess

 

[jelenko]

Just thinking outside the psychological box here (it's the engineer in me, sorry) but, assuming the group is completed inside a few minutes (say ten minutes max) won't the 5th shot always be from barrel at it's peak temperature?
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Wait. I thought there have been lots of 5 shot [or 10 shot] groups where the last one is not a flyer.

 

[Brians356]

Wait. I thought there have been lots of 5 shot [or 10 shot] groups where the last one is not a flyer.

Just addressing OP's subject, verbatim: "5th Round Flyer Phenomenon".

I do not consider random "flyers" to truly be flyers, I consider them to reveal inherent dispersion. The fact that 4 shots, in whatever order, often happen to cluster means nothing. Coincidence is not rare, it happens all the time.
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[jelenko]

Just addressing OP's subject, verbatim: "5th Round Flyer Phenomenon".

I do not consider random "flyers" to truly be flyers, I consider them to reveal inherent dispersion. The fact that 4 shots, in whatever order, often happen to cluster means nothing. Coincidence is not rare, it happens all the time.
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Right. But, I was replying to the thought that the 5 shot would always be the furtherest out because the barrel had heated the most.

 

[Brians356]

Right. But, I was replying to the thought that the 5 shot would always be the furtherest out because the barrel had heated the most.

Got it. But of course I never asserted that. I only pointed out that the barrel would always be warmest for the 5th shot. That's possibly relevant if someone seeks to explain every 5th shot being a flyer.
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[Gargoyle]

Got it. But of course I never asserted that. I only pointed out that the barrel would always be warmest for the 5th shot. That's possibly relevant if someone seeks to explain every 5th shot being a flyer.
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I've let my barrel cool to the point I don't feel heat and it still happens.

 

[Brians356]

I've let my barrel cool to the point I don't feel heat and it still happens.

Oh. well, try shooting them in reverse order, shot #5 first, followed by shot #4, etc.
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[Gargoyle]

Oh. well, try shooting them in reverse order, shot #5 first, followed by shot #4, etc.
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Love It!

 

[Ccrider]

I generally know when that fifth shot is in or out when it leaves my hand. For me it is definitely a feel thing. The gun seems like it is returning to battery by itself, I can’t miss and all in the world is right. If for some reason that fith shot goes out, I know it’s is the gun or load, not me. Or I know it’s me.

If it is me, I get back on the horse and shot 5 more times to prove it to myself. If it is the gun or load, I get back on the horse and shoot until I figure out the why.

 

[jelenko]

I generally know when that fifth shot is in or out when it leaves my hand. For me it is definitely a feel thing. The gun seems like it is returning to battery by itself, I can’t miss and all in the world is right. If for some reason that fith shot goes out, I know it’s is the gun or load, not me. Or I know it’s me.

If it is me, I get back on the horse and shot 5 more times to prove it to myself. If it is the gun or load, I get back on the horse and shoot until I figure out the why.

Exactly.

 

[pintopete]

Oh. well, try shooting them in reverse order, shot #5 first, followed by shot #4, etc.
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What if I am shooting 6 shot groups, but only shoot 5 shots? May eliminate the flier!?

 

[pintopete]

What if I am shooting 6 shot groups, but only shoot 5 shots? May eliminate the flier!?

All kidding aside, I found my last shot fliers were from neck and eye fatigue. Although most often I was shooting prone with a shooting mat, bipod, and sand bag.