50 yard groups

[ttfreestyle]

So just how tight does the average unlimited br50 gun shoot in decent conditions with your best setup and ammo? Not really looking for one “wallet” group but more like a few groups as an average. Thanks for looking.

 

[Tony K Harper]

So just how tight does the average unlimited br50 gun shoot in decent conditions with your best setup and ammo? Not really looking for one “wallet” group but more like a few groups as an average. Thanks for looking.

The best bench rifles can shoot 1/2 inch at 50 yards. On occasion some do much better, but that is the exception not the rule.

TKH (4628)

 

[Archer10x]

An Unlimited rifle shooting 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards is going to score very poorly on a ARA target where all rounds need to be inside of a 1/2 inch without breaking the line to the outside. with a .223 dia bullet groups need to be under 5/16" to stay in.

 

[dutch14]

Maybe 5% of shooters have shot a 2500 for score when it was for record.

 

[butchlambert]

An Unlimited rifle shooting 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards is going to score very poorly on a ARA target where all rounds need to be inside of a 1/2 inch without breaking the line to the outside. with a .223 dia bullet groups need to be under 5/16" to stay in.

Don't know you, but I do know Tony. He probably knows what he is talking about.

 

[grauhanen]

Ammo testing facilities measure ten shot groups outside-to-outside. At 50 yards ten shot groups that are consistently half-an-inch (12.7mm) oto should be quite good with most rifles.

 

[VLNBYR]

Ammo testing facilities measure ten shot groups outside-to-outside. At 50 yards ten shot groups that are consistently half-an-inch (12.7mm) oto should be quite good with most rifles.

Pretty sure this is what TKH was thinking, 1/2" OTO.

 

[MrG52D]

In BR shooting, groups are measured OTO. Like the Eley analyzer did years back. The CTC method you would have to be at .250 JMHO

 

[Tony K Harper]

Pretty sure this is what TKH was thinking, 1/2" OTO.

Thanks John, you are exactly right.
Those shots outside the ARA 1/2 inch circles don't help your scores much.

 

[Ccrider]

The best bench rifles can shoot 1/2 inch at 50 yards. On occasion some do much better, but that is the exception not the rule.

TKH (4628)

Thanks for posting. I know very little about 22 Rimfire. The Vudoo I purchased recently is my first quality Rimfire. I found a setting where I was getting 10 shot groups better than 1/2 inch at 50 yards. From what you are saying, my results are about as good as it gets?

 

[VLNBYR]

Thanks for posting. I know very little about 22 Rimfire. The Vudoo I purchased recently is my first quality Rimfire. I found a setting where I was getting 10 shot groups better than 1/2 inch at 50 yards. From what you are saying, my results are about as good as it gets?

Take a bunch of small dots, just a little larger than the periods in this text, and if you can hit them 8 out of 10 you are good to go.

 

[ttfreestyle]

So I found time to try a new lot of ammo the other evening, conditions were pretty good. That’s a 100 yard Ubr size target. My “bench” was unique.

 

[diyj98]

My “bench” was unique.

You might say it's "cutting edge".

 

[Gizmo60]

Every rifle/ammo combo is different. Some high end custom built rifles and top lots of match ammo can achieve amazing groups.

This was shot with a 1981 match 54 1809, not an ideal candidate for BR shooting due to its stock. Clean bore and you can see how the group tighten up as the barrel gets seasoned in.

 

[1Merlin]

The old adage about seasoning a clean bore. One shot fired for every inch of barrel length. Not needed with modern top of the line super barrels but for old school..? I don't know.

 

[Cbashooter]

In BR shooting, groups are measured OTO. Like the Eley analyzer did years back. The CTC method you would have to be at .250 JMHO

Not any BR match I've shot or scored in 40 years?
Always center to center!

 

[grauhanen]

Not any BR match I've shot or scored in 40 years?
Always center to center

Not many serious BR matches are shot for groups, at least in recent decades. Most serious BR matches are shot for score. ARA, USBR, PSL, IR 50-50, IBS are all score.

 

[Cbashooter]

Not many serious BR matches are shot for groups, at least in recent decades. Most serious BR matches are shot for score. ARA, USBR, PSL, IR 50-50, IBS are all score.

Sorry you are wrong.group matches still shot frequently and are "serious" BR matches.Some disaplines are score only I understand.
MY POINT--'
**BENCHREST GROUPS MEASURED CENTER TO CENTER **

 

[MrG52D]

Not any BR match I've shot or scored in 40 years?
Always center to center!

Point taken; I apologize to all the group shooters that shoot for score. Let me rephrase that. A serious RFBR shooter like ARA, IR ..., (looking for a good lot of ammo or find a tune), would measure groups OTO. To me, a CTC measurement would be useless, when trying to select ammo or find a tune. If you're not hitting the dot you're not doing very well. Again JMHO

 

[Cbashooter]

Point taken; I apologize to all the group shooters that shoot for score. Let me rephrase that. A serious RFBR shooter, (looking for a good lot of ammo or find a tune), would measure groups OTO. To me, a CTC measurement would be useless, when trying to select ammo or find a tune. If you're not hitting the dot you're not doing very well. Again JMHO

Center to center gives no advantage to caliber size is why it is used in BR group matches .
it doesn't matter c-c or o-o measurements, the precision is the same if bullet diameter the same when evaluating.