45acp or 9mm

[joshb]

Respectfully, I'm going to disagree with almost all of this.

1911's are also made in 9mm and other rounds. Single stack and hi-caps. So in single stack mode, 10 round mags, plus 1, at least in one of my Commanders. So 11 rounds instead of your 8, if you insist upon a 7 round mag, as it was 'designed'. Lots of 'design' changes to the gun in your post that you seem to be OK with, so I'm not sure where you draw the line.

I would welcome reviewing your forensic data on the 'one shot is all you get'.

I will always have 45's in my safe, but there is nothing special or magical about them or any other round. You still need to know how to shoot. And if you think a well constructed, well placed 9mm, 147 gr bullet, @1125 fps is for 'play', then you need to think again. Emotions should play no part in bullet selection. "That's the way JMB designed it, by God" just doesn't cut it any more. It's rare to see a 1911 now that duplicates the original 'design.'

To the OP: A 9mm hi-cap Prodigy/Staccato with a dot, loaded with appropriate bullets, makes a superb carry gun. And I believe it's still cheaper to buy 9mm ammo then load it, depending upon what you want. For plinking/practice/etc., FMJ is still probably cheaper to buy than load. A 3# trigger in a 1911 is not difficult to obtain.
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Yup! Using his thoughts, a 10mm or 44 Magnum would be better.

 

[ELR LVR]

Respectfully, I'm going to disagree with almost all of this.

1911's are also made in 9mm and other rounds. Single stack and hi-caps. So in single stack mode, 10 round mags, plus 1, at least in one of my Commanders. So 11 rounds instead of your 8, if you insist upon a 7 round mag, as it was 'designed'. Lots of 'design' changes to the gun in your post that you seem to be OK with, so I'm not sure where you draw the line.

I would welcome reviewing your forensic data on the 'one shot is all you get'.

I will always have 45's in my safe, but there is nothing special or magical about them or any other round. You still need to know how to shoot. And if you think a well constructed, well placed 9mm, 147 gr bullet, @1125 fps is for 'play', then you need to think again. Emotions should play no part in bullet selection. "That's the way JMB designed it, by God" just doesn't cut it any more. It's rare to see a 1911 now that duplicates the original 'design.'

To the OP: A 9mm hi-cap Prodigy/Staccato with a dot, loaded with appropriate bullets, makes a superb carry gun. And I believe it's still cheaper to buy 9mm ammo then load it, depending upon what you want. For plinking/practice/etc., FMJ is still probably cheaper to buy than load. A 3# trigger in a 1911 is not difficult to obtain.
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Not to disagree much but, as far as the forensic data relating to only having one shot
there are many eye opening, humbling scenarios where you only have a max time
of 2 seconds to
react (thats if you are on your game with 0.20 second reaction time to an outside stimulus
draw
aim
fire
hit
or as some have taught it as the OODA Loop
Observe, Orient, Decide, Act
Allowing the person observing and reacting a strategic ability to unfolding events more rapidly and/or more effectively than an opponent,
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In the meantime an attacker can close 12 feet of distance within 2 seconds and render the first shot useless unless you make it count within 2 seconds or less
many people are not taught this and think there is no way someone could be on them that quickly
tha, they could get their gun out soon enough etc.
Hardly ever.
ONLY if you are ready and expecting it right now during an exercise , maybe, but its still usually more of a tie than the defender gets his weapon out on time and on target before being subdued and attacked and weapon disabled or taken away.
even overwight people can quickly close this distance having stronger legs than normal
kind of like a bear, they can and will surprise you with the element of surprise.
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One drill we learned which gains you an advaatge over someone doing just that, closing the distance such as at an ATM, is to instantly fall onto your back while drawing and orienting and acting
because it throws the opponent off guard and disorients and confuses them enough to where it can gain you another prescious few seconds
such as if you do miss that first shot, to provide a follow up on target.
Meanwhile they are thinking "why is this guy falling down? is he having a seizure, a heart attack, how do I attack someone lying on the ground now? etc."
it's an unconventional technique which was developed strictly because there are so many documented 2 seconds or less scenarios
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then there are guys like me who have trained for 2 seconds or less all my life simply for carry out in the woods against bear or other creatures which can be on you so quickly
You had better train for and hit on point with 1st round hits within 2 seconds or less and I mean like Golf balls at 20 yds because if you allow them to get closer than that you are likely a gonner
with the rest of any flailing follow up shots merely likely to only piss them off
"Like the Revenent"

people... are not the only reason some people carry