45 vs 10mm

[Cecil S.]

I know this topic has been discussed before but we have a bunch of new members with some new opinions and WTF are we gonna do any way. Dose reloading change the comparison of these two "hand cannons"? Be safe out there.

 

[GotRDid]

Love them both, particularly in an M1911A1 platform. I wouldn't stress nearly as much if I did not recover all my .45 cases vs the 10MM, though.
I am saddened that the Bren 10/Peregrine Falcon pistols never made if off the ground.
GotRDid.

 

[Drop Port]

Kind of like apples to hand grenades.
45 ACP 21 ish PSI max
10mm auto high 30's PSI max

Did I say I like both?

 

[riflewoman]

My 10...

 

[Downhill]

Love the 45ACP. Have several. The 10 mm I own is the glock. Use the 10 on hog hunts, really knocks the piss out of wild boar.

 

[Monte F]

Just shot my new Kimber Camp Guard yesterday for the first time. Definitely has more oomph than my Rem. R1 .45acp. with the full power loads.

 

[SSL]

Can't go wrong with either one. I would have a 10 if I didn't have so many .45s and tons of brass.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

A 45 is like a freight train and a 10 is like a bullet train. Not a fair comparison

 

[mikeinct]

oomph factor, that describes the ten mm I've shot. mikeinct

 

[VaniB]

Wish my reliable and finely smithed 1911 was a 10mm. I don't ever carry anything larger then my Gock33 in 357Sig, or my SigP365 in 9mm. So then my attitude is if I'm going to have a full size service pistol sitting in the glove compartment, dresser draw, or hanging from my hip in a holster, it might as well be the more powerful 10mm instead of a .45cal!! And if factory 10mm ammo is too powerful or uncomfortable to shoot, that's not an issue for a handloader like myself, as I can load it however I like.

 

[rsmithsr50]

THERE IS NO COMPARISON.
two completely different rounds.
1911 45 acp old technology low pressure, slow heavy great in a full size gun.
can be shot all day
10mm high pressure modern round. a serious kick butt round with almost any bullet at full power(else you have a 40 s&w). not an all day gun. I shot one in a club ipsc match. by the end of the match I could not hit the ground.

 

[rsmithsr50]

try a glock 37/38.

Wish my reliable and finely smithed 1911 was a 10mm. I don't ever carry anything larger then my Gock33 in 357Sig, or my SigP365 in 9mm. So then my attitude is if I'm going to have a full size service pistol sitting in the glove compartment, dresser draw, or hanging from my hip in a holster, it might as well be the more powerful 10mm instead of a .45cal!! And if factory 10mm ammo is too powerful or uncomfortable to shoot, that's not an issue for a handloader like myself.

 

[alf]

You can always step up to a 45 Super or 460 Rowland......

 

[LCazador]

If you reload for a 45 your reloads will make a huge difference. I push a 200gr. over 1000 fps in my H&K USP 5 inch that I've hunted with for almost 30 years now. The polygonal bore in the H&K allows me to push that bullet at the upper limits of the +P case. I can't do that on a 1911 platform. I shoot a Sig P220 Hunter 6inch in 10mm and with the 200 gr. bullet weight I think it has less killing power than my 45. This is on south Texas deer. That frontal diameter is the difference in my opinion and of course my personal handloads. My carry gun is a compact Kimber 45 with a 1 1/2 barrel", 7 shots only but I don't have to shoot anything twice! LOL!

 

[Tireguy]

I reload for both as I consider them 2 completely different animals. I enjoy them equally.
Go with whatever you shoot best with.

 

[VaniB]

try a glock 37/38.

Thanks, but I don't like the 45 penetration and energy ratings from anything less then a 5" barrel. And so to be able to easily conceal a gun, I prefer the higher velocity of a SigP365 with+p, G27 with+p, or 357Sig. My 5" 1911 will remain a safe queen, as it's not even medicine against black bear as would be a 10mm.

 

[Cecil S.]

Wish my reliable and finely smithed 1911 was a 10mm. I don't ever carry anything larger then my Gock33 in 357Sig, or my SigP365 in 9mm. So then my attitude is if I'm going to have a full size service pistol sitting in the glove compartment, dresser draw, or hanging from my hip in a holster, it might as well be the more powerful 10mm instead of a .45cal!! And if factory 10mm ammo is too powerful or uncomfortable to shoot, that's not an issue for a handloader like myself.

Love my Glock 33.

 

[rsmithsr50]

my glock 38 MATCHES 5" 1911 VELOCITY yes from a 4.1" bbl. do some speer research on recommended operation pressure. they designed the round.

Thanks, but I don't like the 45 penetration and energy ratings from anything less then a 5" barrel. And so to be able to easily conceal a gun, I prefer the higher velocity of a SigP365 with+p, G27 with+p, or 357Sig. My 5" 1911 will remain a safe queen, as it's not even medicine against black bear as would be a 10mm.

 

[Shawnba67]

I have a Tanfoglio Witness Elite. and love it!
That said 4 3/4" tube.
I chronoed Underwood Ammo and it was within 20fps of advertised speed. 180's@1295fps and 135's at 1600 or so. Memory fuzzy but it was close to advert speed.
Armscor 180 was only about 60fps faster than a budget 180gr 40 cal round. Both from same pistol. So basically the store stocked 10mm stuff is very suspect.
I did a very informal wet newspaper test with the 135gr nosler and got about 9" penetration.
Thats what I ended up carrying. Recoil is snappy but managable. Mine would launch brass about 50ft to my right.

 

[Twicepop]

It depends on your intended use of either. If you plan on hunting with either caliber, 10MM is the one you want. It's loaded to around 37,500 PSI, it will launch a 200 grain bullet at 1200 fps, that's approaching .41 Mag territory. A previous post mention using it for shooting wild/feral hogs, a clerk at a semi-local gun store said he's taken 5 deer with his. A Scandinavian ski patrol uses the 10MM as a defensive weapon against Polar Bears. The .45 has proven itself through several military involvements, it was first introduced in 1905 with a 200 grain bullet and upgraded in 1910 with a heavier bullet, and adopted by the military in 1911. That heavier bullet was thought to be needed because at the time, people were still riding horses into battle, and that heavier bullet would kill not just the rider, but would kill the horse he was riding on. That may be where the phrase "and the horse you rode in on" originated from. I with the previous post about loosing brass, .45 brass is almost as common as dirt, 10MM is expensive and not as easily obtained.