40X action for F-Open?
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Have been using one as my short range F open rifle for 22 years. Also have three other open rifles built on custom actions. I wouldn't say the 40x is any less accurate than the other three, if you point it in the right direction. Quality barrels, good bullets they will shoot with anything.
6bra1k
Banned
if you cannot tell the difference in a true custom action and a reworked 700 action, then maybe it will work just fine for you. and yes its just a 700 action.
how much time and effort was put into "truing "? plus its original cost and when done it is till a 700 action.
i have one, a single shot. its very nice, but it is nowhere near a custom action.
there are several companies that make actions used in br....not just also ran 700 clone makers.
notice i used the word TRUE custom..it makes a difference...bat kelbly borden come to mind.
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
With the delay between shots it will work just fine for you
troupe
Gold $$ Contributor
I feel that the 40X will be fine and do just as good of a job as any custom. Sometimes folks need to feel that the custom is better, and some maybe are. If in your brain and you think the custom will give you an advantage then spend the funds to get it. You are receiving a lot of experience from this site and being told the 40X will do just as good, then go with it. I have shot USPSA competition for almost 40 years and I was one of those gadget guys, thinking that the next gadget or compensator design would give me a slight advantage.
Did it give me an advantage, probably not, but in my mind it did. Shooting at a higher level is a mental game for sure. Robbie Leatham, one of the best in my sport could take a box stock 1911 and clean most shooters clocks. The 40X actions will not hold you back in anyway at all. If the 40X action, Rem 700 action is so bad. Why is it the most copied action made.
Did it give me an advantage, probably not, but in my mind it did. Shooting at a higher level is a mental game for sure. Robbie Leatham, one of the best in my sport could take a box stock 1911 and clean most shooters clocks. The 40X actions will not hold you back in anyway at all. If the 40X action, Rem 700 action is so bad. Why is it the most copied action made.
Normally, I'd say bless your heart, sell that action and get a custom.
But, some years ago when I started out in F-class I had a beat up 'ol Rem 700 (.308) from my high-power silhouette days. I had the late great Mickey Coleman (also from Alabama) put a Kreiger barrel on it in 308. That rifle got me into Highmaster in Mid-Range and Master in Long Range and I cleverly thought, just think what a custom action will do...well not quite the dramatic jump in performance I was hoping for.
A custom action is nice, barrel swaps are easier, and I like having a trigger hangar, but if I already had a fully-trued stainless 40X laying around WITH sentimental value I'd sure try it.
troupe
Gold $$ Contributor
"Normally, I'd say bless your heart, sell that action and get a custom.
But, some years ago when I started out in F-class I had a beat up 'ol Rem 700 (.308) from my high-power silhouette days. I had the late great Mickey Coleman (also from Alabama) put a Kreiger barrel on it in 308. That rifle got me into Highmaster in Mid-Range and Master in Long Range and I cleverly thought, just think what a custom action will do...well not quite the dramatic jump in performance I was hoping for.
A custom action is nice, barrel swaps are easier, and I like having a trigger hangar, but if I already had a fully-trued stainless 40X laying around WITH sentimental value I'd sure try it."
That is very well said, it is the point that I was trying to make ! I was using the USPSA sport but you have the actual rifle competition to speak to it much clearer, great job. Gadgets!
But, some years ago when I started out in F-class I had a beat up 'ol Rem 700 (.308) from my high-power silhouette days. I had the late great Mickey Coleman (also from Alabama) put a Kreiger barrel on it in 308. That rifle got me into Highmaster in Mid-Range and Master in Long Range and I cleverly thought, just think what a custom action will do...well not quite the dramatic jump in performance I was hoping for.
A custom action is nice, barrel swaps are easier, and I like having a trigger hangar, but if I already had a fully-trued stainless 40X laying around WITH sentimental value I'd sure try it."
That is very well said, it is the point that I was trying to make ! I was using the USPSA sport but you have the actual rifle competition to speak to it much clearer, great job. Gadgets!
The particular shooting discipline is important. A 40X will do fine for F-Class and many other shooting disciplines. However, to be clear, a trued 40X or a 700 isn't very competitive anymore in LRBR.
The reason Rem 700s are the most copied action is because they were inexpensive and thus became very popular. Since they were popular it was easy to find aftermarket parts and tooling for them.
The CRF M-70 is a superior action for a hunting rifle for many reasons, but when the Rem 700 predecessor came out in 1948, it was something like 20% cheaper. Back then many if not most hunters were lower income and cost was a BIG factor. So the cheap Remingtons displaced the better designed M-70s.
6bra1k
Banned
so to be clear, i have 2 rifles built on limited production actions. a 308 on a savage mdl 12 single shot and a 300 winmag built on a single shot 40x for fun shooting. oh and a stack of custom actions for 100-2000 yard competition shooting.
in 2010, Naval Surface Warfare Center in Crane Indiana switched to stiller actions(mk13) based on their mag action, for mk13 sniper rifles used by a list of mil sniper agencies. the navy SEALS. army and others. these people went out and talked and shot with long range shooters. in the end they gave up on 700 actions and went with custom stiller actions. the SEALS have used accuracy international 300 win mags.
will do vs being in the mix is 2 different things.
a tribute rifle to your buddy, go ahead, but its not the first choice IMHO
in 2010, Naval Surface Warfare Center in Crane Indiana switched to stiller actions(mk13) based on their mag action, for mk13 sniper rifles used by a list of mil sniper agencies. the navy SEALS. army and others. these people went out and talked and shot with long range shooters. in the end they gave up on 700 actions and went with custom stiller actions. the SEALS have used accuracy international 300 win mags.
will do vs being in the mix is 2 different things.
a tribute rifle to your buddy, go ahead, but its not the first choice IMHO
I'm not sure how the terms "sniper", SEALS" and " AI mags" even come into the conversation here. We are talking about FO guns.
I guess I should have said this is not my primary FO rifle. It, and various other of my rifles, have "custom"actions. Of my hunting rifles, my longer range one is a .280AI built around a pre-64 action which also came from my deceased gunsmith. That sure does the biz and brings a smile every time I tip an animal over with it.
I have a spare FO stock and my current gunsmith would make short work of inletting for the 40X. Think I'm going to do it based on comments here.
I guess I should have said this is not my primary FO rifle. It, and various other of my rifles, have "custom"actions. Of my hunting rifles, my longer range one is a .280AI built around a pre-64 action which also came from my deceased gunsmith. That sure does the biz and brings a smile every time I tip an animal over with it.
I have a spare FO stock and my current gunsmith would make short work of inletting for the 40X. Think I'm going to do it based on comments here.
troupe
Gold $$ Contributor
You wont regret using the 40X in anyway, it will not hold you back at all. I have two repeater 40X actions that I plan to use someday. I agree that the Winchester is a very good design, especially for a dangerous game rifle, or any hunting rifle for that matter. The reliability is legendary in everyway. Still more copies of the 700 out there. Let us all see it when you get her finished. Stillers look a lot a 700 for some reason, but with some fine upgrades.
6bra1k
Banned
well they shoot pretty much custom rifles with production ammo( pretty good but not great) and aim at fairly large targets sort like f class..they tend to not take 22 shots from a single position.
its about the gun quality and large targets
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