30br action choice?

[Evan]

You can wait 12 weeks for a borden, or 9 months for a BAT. Jim Borden is a great guy to work with and can build you an entire gun faster than most will get you the individual components.

Edit: no one with a borden complains about it. I've read more than a couple complaints about BATs.

 

[savagedasher]

I have one on a 40 x action that the barrel hasn’t been fired also has 6 mm dasher and a 22-250 barrel
I would like to make a new proud owner of

 

[GSPV]

Since you guys have no weight limit, you might look into taking it over 20 lbs.

If I had that weight limit, I’d look at a 30x47 Lapua. You’ll have more lattitude in powder choice. 8208 XBR works well.

 

[TrxR]

I think the idea to build it to 13.5 specs might be a good suggestion. Now the question will be what does a trigger weigh as well as a set of rings and bases or rail? Action, barrel and cope weight is easy to find.

Im seriously looking at a Mcmillan Edge benchrest stock . Do they have one for a HV class rifle? whats a good lenght barrel for 30br?

 

[jimmymac]

If you look at the McMillan website I think there is an option there to get a heavier stock.

 

[AlNyhus]

Im seriously looking at a Mcmillan Edge benchrest stock . Do they have one for a HV class rifle?

There are stocks that are forgiving going around a Score target and those that aren't.

Do your homework and choose wisely. -Al

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Are you talking about Borden? What complaints did you have?

What Im saying is that a good action will out shoot a bad action. Thats not brand or model specific within the top makes. It makes sense to look at equipment lists and use whats winning, but I think more importantly is to find a successful short range Br smith and listen to him.

 

[TrxR]

Are there features in a stock that are better suited for score and ones that arent? If so what are they?

 

[JimPag]

Are there features in a stock that are better suited for score and ones that arent? If so what are they?

Just look at the IBS equipment list for short range score and group. You'll get an idea what people are using.

 

[Evan]

What Im saying is that a good action will out shoot a bad action. Thats not brand or model specific within the top makes. It makes sense to look at equipment lists and use whats winning, but I think more importantly is to find a successful short range Br smith and listen to him.

1000% agree! The winners list isn't a how-to-guide. Copying their equipment isn't even 10% of what they are doing to win.

Building a competitive gun is a bigger task than just assembling a list of "winning" components and I would let the gunsmith tell you what works. If he can't, then you need to look for a different gunsmith who has experience in your chosen competition.

Order of operations: Find smith > agree on build specifications > wait longer than you want to > shoot!

 

[GSPV]

If I was in an unlimited weight rules game...

— I would build a 13.5 lb rifle if my main concern was resale.

— I would build a much heavier rifle if my main concern was winning.

... and I’ve put my money where my mouth is. The rifle above weighs close to 18 lbs. It’s easy to shoot.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

View attachment 1079339 If I was in an unlimited weight rules game...

— I would build a 13.5 lb rifle if my main concern was resale.

— I would build a much heavier rifle if my main concern was winning.

... and I’ve put my money where my mouth is. The rifle above weighs close to 18 lbs. It’s easy to shoot.

Get a 10.5. Youre making it too easy.

 

[GSPV]

Get a 10.5. Youre making it too easy.

Exactly.

 

[TrxR]

View attachment 1079339 If I was in an unlimited weight rules game...

— I would build a 13.5 lb rifle if my main concern was resale.

— I would build a much heavier rifle if my main concern was winning.

... and I’ve put my money where my mouth is. The rifle above weighs close to 18 lbs. It’s easy to shoot.

What are the details of that rifle?

What action and stock?

 

[GSPV]

Borden BRM. I have a new rifle being built on a BRMXD. It had a Jewell trigger in that picture, but now has a BixNAndy as does the new action. They are simply the best.

The barrel is a 28” 1.250 7mm 1:9. It is chambered in 7x47L. The freebore is set up to shoot up through 168 VLDs. If I was shooting 100 yard, best edge score, it would be a 1:17 or 1:18 30 cal. 30x47L and be set up for the .925 or 1.0 115-118 ish bullets. If I could find a supply of 135ers, that’s what I’d look at. This generally means zero to about 35 thou freebore.

The stock is more or less identical to a Tooley Tracker. It is a laminate. Has quite a bit of weight added. My new rifle is on a Cerus stock.

The scope is a 15-54 Nightforce Competition with an FCR-1. Same on the new rifle. I love them. Then again, I love my Leupold LCS 45 power. I’m keeping it for the day when I build another 10.5 lb PPC.

In the picture, the scope is sitting in Kelbly rings. It is now sitting in Harrell’s rings. One tip there is that I lap the rings heavily and then epoxy bed the scopes into the rings. With release agent...not a glue in job. This makes sure that my scope is stress free and keeps the rings from marking the scope. If you can deal with blue rings, you can accomplish the same thing with Burris Signature Zee rings. Every one of my scopes not in lapped and bedded Harrell’s are in the Zee rings. Their new three screw rings are the BOMB.

 

[GSPV]

The new stock.

 

[tenring]

You can wait 12 weeks for a borden, or 9 months for a BAT. Jim Borden is a great guy to work with and can build you an entire gun faster than most will get you the individual components.

Edit: no one with a borden complains about it. I've read more than a couple complaints about BATs.

Are the "Borden bumps" an advantage?

 

[Evan]

Are the "Borden bumps" an advantage?

Rimrock are incredibly slick actions that operate very smoothly, despite very tight tolerances. I can't say for sure how much of that is the bumps. It may be Jim's attention to the timing and the trigger that creates most of this magic.

 

[X-Caveman]

Rimrock are incredibly slick actions that operate very smoothly, despite very tight tolerances. I can't say for sure how much of that is the bumps. It may be Jim's attention to the timing and the trigger that creates most of this magic.

I agree about the timing. I also think the bolt and action materials and hardnesses play a big part. In fact, Jim told me last week there is only one heat treating house left in the US that can do his bolts properly - hard enough without getting brittle.

I’ve seen a lot of educational tidbits on social media lately from Jim. I really think the more he educates us, the more he will sell. The product is superb and only getting better.

 

[TrxR]

Im going to go with a rimrock brm with a pinned recoil lug.