308 FL Type S Bushing die for 260 rem

[dmoran]

Body die? I called a manufacturer to ask them to described a body die......

Holy cow... as smart you try to appear, would think you'd grasp something as simple as a body die.
Its so simple: a body die sizes the entire body but the neck (the neck portion of the die is omitted).

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Basically most all the major die manufactures make/offer body dies, and are very popular in modern reloading, which may in part contribute to your imprudence.

 

[hogan]

Redding says if you remove bushing from a type S FL die, you have a body die...

 

[Prose]

Redding says if you remove bushing from a type S FL die, you have a body die...

Almost. A straight up body die is a bit different on the shoulders. They both work great though.

 

[ImBIllT]

Holy cow... as smart you try to appear, would think you'd grasp something as simple as a body die.
Its so simple: a body die sizes the entire body but the neck (the neck portion of the die is omitted).

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Basically most all the major die manufactures make/offer body dies, and are very popular in modern reloading, which may in part contribute to your imprudence.

Some people seem to think that being a smart aleck means they are smart.

 

[fguffey]

Almost. A straight up body die is a bit different on the shoulders. They both work great though.

The same reloaders that believe a bushing die is a body die believe they can move the shoulder back, they have the process down to a science; they call it 'bump', starts out with something like; I bump my shoulders back etc. etc.. and I ask; how can a reloader bump the shoulder back with a die that has full body support?

I have bump presses, I have non bump pressesm I can only guess reloaders like saying 'bump'.

F. Guffey

 

[eric32]

The same reloaders that believe a bushing die is a body die believe they can move the shoulder back, they have the process down to a science; they call it 'bump', starts out with something like; I bump my shoulders back etc. etc.. and I ask; how can a reloader bump the shoulder back with a die that has full body support?

I have bump presses, I have non bump pressesm I can only guess reloaders like saying 'bump'.

F. Guffey

If I cant move the shoulder back on fired brass. Then by what mechanism do I repurpose once fired LC LR brass that has a headspace that exceeds my rifle's chamber, put it thru a bushing die without the bushing. And physical measure a negative change in the shoulder to case head measurement?

This body die that you are referring to in a ring die, that sizes the case's web to prevent the click during the bolt lift.

Bump is reference to movement of the shoulder of a case

 

[jdh47]

Dayum it's started again...

Joe

 

[eric32]

Dayum it's started again...

Joe

yup i just checked his previous post and yea... sorry.

 

[fguffey]

If I cant move the shoulder back on fired brass. Then by what mechanism do I repurpose once fired LC LR brass that has a headspace that exceeds my rifle's chamber

You have the advantage; I do not have cases that have head space. My chambers have head space that are measured (in length) from the datum to the bolt face. I understand reloaders have head space everywhere, they have it in the chamber, their cases have head space and tools? All of their tools are head space gages; that puts me at a disadvantage because I have case gages, chamber gages, comparators; I know, there are those that believe I could save a lot of ink when using the computer if I would agree everything has head space and ever gage is a head space gage, I had rather use the ink.

One more time; I fired a round in one of my rifles, the round had .127" clearance between the shoulder of the case and shoulder of the chamber. When I pulled the trigger the round fired. The case did not suffer case head separation, the firing pin did not have to chase the primer when the case took off for the front of the chamber and the shoulder of the case did not move when fired.

Again: I have a 30/06 chamber that is .016" longer than a minimum length/full length sized case or .0011" longer than a go-gage length chamber, if I fire a minimum length/full length sized round in that chamber the shoulder does not move even though the chamber is .016" longer than a full length sized, new over the counter, factory round. I form cases for that chamber, I form 280 Remington cases to 30/06, when I fire cases in that chamber the round has .002" clearance. I can not miss(?), the 280 Remington case is .051" longer from the datum to the case head than the 30/06 case.

F. Guffey

 

[eric32]

You got it.

 

[dmoran]

You have the advantage; I do not have cases that have head space.....
F. Guffey

 

[fguffey]

I was sizing cases without sizing the neck long before the bushing die was invented. But, even then, before the Internet I knew I could not sized the body of a case without shoulder support. Everyone in the choir is supposed to know when the die sizes the body of the case the shoulder moves forward and takes on a slight radius; according to Lyman 60+ years ago. Just an opinion but it sounds like Redding has hired some Internet reloaders to work in the Technical department. I expect SAAMI to do the same; and then? The case will have head space.

F. Guffey

 

[fguffey]

and comparators will become head space gages.

F. Guffey

 

[ireload2]

Not one bit of this has anything to do with a body die.
You tell the same old worthless, irrelevant story over and over again like it is the only thing that you have ever done.

You have the advantage; I do not have cases that have head space. My chambers have head space that are measured (in length) from the datum to the bolt face. I understand reloaders have head space everywhere, they have it in the chamber, their cases have head space and tools? All of their tools are head space gages; that puts me at a disadvantage because I have case gages, chamber gages, comparators; I know, there are those that believe I could save a lot of ink when using the computer if I would agree everything has head space and ever gage is a head space gage, I had rather use the ink.

One more time; I fired a round in one of my rifles, the round had .127" clearance between the shoulder of the case and shoulder of the chamber. When I pulled the trigger the round fired. The case did not suffer case head separation, the firing pin did not have to chase the primer when the case took off for the front of the chamber and the shoulder of the case did not move when fired.

Again: I have a 30/06 chamber that is .016" longer than a minimum length/full length sized case or .0011" longer than a go-gage length chamber, if I fire a minimum length/full length sized round in that chamber the shoulder does not move even though the chamber is .016" longer than a full length sized, new over the counter, factory round. I form cases for that chamber, I form 280 Remington cases to 30/06, when I fire cases in that chamber the round has .002" clearance. I can not miss(?), the 280 Remington case is .051" longer from the datum to the case head than the 30/06 case.

F. Guffey

 

[ireload2]

Long before your grandfather was born people were sizing cases with no shoulders (therefore with no shoulder support) at all. I have sized thousands of .45-70, .38-55, .40-65 and all those tens of thousands of pistola cases without a single solitary shoulder....

It would help if you would learn to proof read your comments. There are errors below that make it very apparent that you do not think before you post.
English Guffey- I know it is painful for you but learn to read it, write it and speak it.

I was sizing cases without sizing the neck long before the bushing die was invented. But, even then, before the Internet I knew I could not sized the body of a case without shoulder support. Everyone in the choir is supposed to know when the die sizes the body of the case the shoulder moves forward and takes on a slight radius; according to Lyman 60+ years ago. Just an opinion but it sounds like Redding has hired some Internet reloaders to work in the Technical department. I expect SAAMI to do the same; and then? The case will have head space.

F. Guffey

 

[eric32]

guys,

this perfectly good thread has turned into a your wrong bashing. Please let's not let this get out of hand.

i ask that all of you just hit the ignore button

 

[fguffey]

The shoulder angles are the same for both.

The neck length is none issue just mean you wont have to trim for a long time

Eric, I did not say anything, I would assume someone with a big mouth would understand when the case neck is sized down the neck get longer and the shoulder/neck juncture moves forward. Most big mouth reloaders assume the neck gets thicker when necked down and thinner when necked up, and I ask if it is stretch and or flow or both, about all I get is lip service.

F. Guffey

 

[eric32]

you have said and shared plenty, so i will be following my own statement i will be placing you on my ignore list.

you have a good day.

 

[fguffey]

you have said and shared plenty, so i will be following my own statement i will be placing you on my ignore list.

you have a good day.

Eric, you run out of gas and then you turn into some kind of a dysfunctional social media type, how do you act in public? I can only guess if not for the Internet you would not have a life.

F. Guffey

 

[ImBIllT]

I'm going to be doing something similar. Anyone here have experience enough to know how many thousandths I can neck down with a bushing die without problems? I had originally intended to neck down with a conventional die, but I'm assuming I can get better concentricity using my Redding Custom Comp since it will center the case before it starts sizing the neck down. So I see its recommended to go in two steps from .308 Win to .260 Rem. What about 7mm to 6.5mm?