223 rem accuracy expectations

[mike mccormick]

I'm not saying the 223 is a wise option for short range bench work, but it will give as good of accuracy as the 308 in F T/R or other disciplines.

 

[KMW 1954]

- many cartridge will never beat a 6 PPC. Thats fact.

At what distances?

 

[urbanrifleman]

I have a lot more 223 groups on my phone.

 

[CF Junkie]

Nice shooting. The new barrel looks like a keeper.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

I have a Steyr Varmint sl w double trigger, w vented stock. it shot 223 Rem Accutip under .35 inch. Super accurate. I haven't shot it in 15 years. The accutip uses a Hornady vmax, I am pretty sure. I could get it under .25 without too much work. i never loaded for it.

 

[COLT45SA]

Varmint rifles should average .750" and below.

Hunting rifles would be best 1.5" and below

Competition I would venture to say would be best agging under .250" to .275"

I've done .313" with hand loads in a bone stock Ruger 77, but it's an early gun with a slow twist so have to choose the bullet weights carefully.

 

[kyotekiller25]

All my bolt .223s have easily shot in the .3s and .4s whether they were factory or semi customs with handloads. I've had them as low as in the .1s and .2s on a good day also.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Maybe we need to shorten the neck on a 6br and see if it shoots better.

You mean like the BRX and the Dasher?

 

[Will Henry]

The original 6BR had a shorter neck. With today's brass it may match a PPC. A 223 will as well. I recall Sam Wilson shooting an agg around .1900" at 100, with a 223. He told me he couldn't say how many shots had gone through that barrel or people would call him a liar. WH

 

[Kevin1990]

The original 6BR had a shorter neck. With today's brass it may match a PPC. A 223 will as well. I recall Sam Wilson shooting an agg around .1900" at 100, with a 223. He told me he couldn't say how many shots had gone through that barrel or people would call him a liar. WH

 

[C.E.Smith043]

I've done .313" with hand loads in a bone stock Ruger 77, but it's an early gun with a slow twist so have to choose the bullet weights carefully.

I'm sure you have, but I'm sure that was just one group. I highly highly doubt your bone stock Ruger will agg that. As matter of fact, I know it will not.

 

[vonb]

The original 6BR had a shorter neck. With today's brass it may match a PPC. A 223 will as well. I recall Sam Wilson shooting an agg around .1900" at 100, with a 223. He told me he couldn't say how many shots had gone through that barrel or people would call him a liar.

Why is the 6BR so ubiquitous and widely used when I’ve historically heard the 6 PPC reigns king in accuracy? In other words, why is the 6BR more popular than the 6PPC?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

Why is the 6BR so ubiquitous and widely used when I’ve historically heard the 6 PPC reigns king in accuracy? In other words, why is the 6BR more popular than the 6PPC?

I would imagine most of us don’t want to run a round at the pressure the PPC takes plus all of the brass prep required.

 

[Kevin1990]

I would imagine most of us don’t want to run a round at the pressure the PPC takes plus all of the brass prep required.

Barrel life as well. At least for me.

 

[NZ_Fclass]

Why is the 6BR so ubiquitous and widely used when I’ve historically heard the 6 PPC reigns king in accuracy? In other words, why is the 6BR more popular than the 6PPC?

It's the difference between the PPC and the 6 ARC - prep, pressure, free bore and twist. The 6 ARC is a decent cartridge. Some club members are doing OK at the mid-ranges. If Lapua or Alpha made some brass, I would build one in a jiffy. I might anyway, just for fun.

ps - a jiffy later. Alpha brass do 6mm ARC. I'm about to phone the gunsmith...

 

[Wellington]

That's what I've been seeing in my readings on the web about the 69s often being a disappointment. That's....disappointing to hear. I contemplated Varget and still might, but I cant get an 8 pounder of the N140 for near $60-$90 cheaper depending on where.

Out of all of the bullets youve shot what one did you think was the least sensitive to seating depth? Ill check out the Hornady 75 match though!

My .223 shot extremely well with 69 gr sierra match with Benchmark. Varget was a no go in this rifle. 8 twist.

 

[COLT45SA]

I'm sure you have, but I'm sure that was just one group. I highly highly doubt your bone stock Ruger will agg that. As matter of fact, I know it will not.

I see. Are you looking to start some kind of argument~?? You don't know the rifle. You don't know how I prepare my reloads. And you don't know my shooting capabilities. Which one shall we pick on first~?

 

[Will Henry]

Why is the 6BR so ubiquitous and widely used when I’ve historically heard the 6 PPC reigns king in accuracy? In other words, why is the 6BR more popular than the 6PPC?

It's kind of a context thing. When the PPC originated it was, without a doubt, the easy answer for benchrest. I well remember when the first one showed up at our range. Bob Forslund had built it over the winter and brought it to our spring shoot. Before the match, he told me, " Hey, watch this", and sat down and parked five into about .150" and said this was the easiest cartridge he had ever worked with. I built mine the next year. The BR was developed a couple of years later (I think I bought my first 6BR reamer in 1977 nor 78). Understand, this was for short range benchrest. Remington's BR was a good enough cartridge, but the forming of cases was an arduous task (I bought formed brass from Cindy Six. It was well worth it to have her do the work).
It was in the 1990's that the BR was re-invented by Norma (with some minor case alterations) as a long range cartridge. In the interim, Remington had brought out the 7 BR as a handgun silhouette cartridge, so there was some brass available. By this time though, the PPC was so well established as THE benchrest cartridge, that the 6BR was not going to be able to compete. Where it could compete though, was at long range. With 107 grain bullets it shot real well and it would do so out to 1000 yds. This re-invention happened at about the same time that George Farquharson developed his "F" class format, and there you have it. In short range BR the 6PPC is still King. For mid-range the 6BR is almost in the same position. The 6BR (or some derivative thereof) is also pretty popular for metallic silhouette.
I have a couple of old 6BR Remington rifles and they shoot pretty well. Would they shoot better as a PPC? Could be, but I kind of like them the way they are. WH

 

[243winxb]

Assuming you've got a 223rem.

223 rem accuracy expectations​

1/2" @100 yards or better.

 

[COLT45SA]

You mean like the BRX and the Dasher?

I would have never thought of that in a million years~!! Definitely worth a try.
I'd have to say that Sam Wilson knew what he knew and had done what he said he had done. He had absolutely nothing to gain by saying something that wasn't true. Challengers weren't there. Challengers hadn't seen. Negative remarks always come from people who can't accomplish the same feat themselves.