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223 chamber specs for Across the Course

Me and my shooting buddy are putting together 223 XTC/cheap practise rifles.
We do not have desire to fuss with the 90gr stuff.
So what chamber specs should we be looking at for a mag fed 223 running 80gr or less. We can probly mod a mag for a slightly longer oal if its worth it.
Max anticipated range 600yds
Is/will the plain old Wylde chamber fit the bill?
 
I would go with the Wylde. No need to reinvent the wheel.

I don't know anyone that shoots 80 grain bullets from a magazine. I read about some state team that was running the Berger 82 at magazine length at Camp Perry a few years ago, but I don't know if that fad really took off.

If you really want to shoot everything from a magazine, look into the Lapua 77.

-- Scott
 
Are you talking a bolt gun or an AR?
I would not use a Wylde in a bolt gun. It's far sloppier than need be for a bolt. A .223 Match would be better and use a throating reamer if that doesn't give you what you want.
 
It will be from a bolt gun. But only shooting for self improovement.
I have a bolt gun in 223 for shooting mid range (600 yards) with the Wylde chanber and it does fine with the 75 A MAX and the 80 SMK. It also shoots the 77 SMK very well.
 
Look at the .223 Match chamber. Similar to a Wylde as it has a somewhat longer throat but minimum spec chamber. I have run it in a bolt gun for years with good success. Reamer can be rented from 4DReamer Rentals as can the headspace gauges.
 
Shawn, you need to give us some more information, and/or get those answers yourself first.

1) What IS the length of your magazine box? 80's run from magazine are COMMON from bolt actions, and almost unheard-of for ARs.

2) What brass do you intend to use, and will you be turning?

3) Are you intending to use VLDs, or BTHPs?

4) How much concern is barrel life, and what powder(s) do you intend to use?


-Nate
 
Shawn, you need to give us some more information, and/or get those answers yourself first.

1) What IS the length of your magazine box? 80's run from magazine are COMMON from bolt actions, and almost unheard-of for ARs.

2) What brass do you intend to use, and will you be turning?

3) Are you intending to use VLDs, or BTHPs?

4) How much concern is barrel life, and what powder(s) do you intend to use?


-Nate
1 Plan on MTD AICS Mag so 2.5+or-
2 I have a ton of LC brass as well as everthing but Lapua in signigicant numbers. I do not want to turn necks on this one.
3 no vlds, very likely what ever is the best value for the buck. SMk is likely. Bergers are my problem solver bullets just kinda pricy.
4 Barrel life is of concern. I would rather burn out the freebore than cut it out from go.
Do not have a set powder yet. Thought Varget 8208xb (might be wrong numbers from memory) or cfe223 maybe.
 
1) Good deal. In that case, I would most CERTAINLY plan to run 80's from magazine. They can be pushed at the same speed as a 75 or 77 "magazine" AR-15 load (or faster), simply because you have the room in the mag to load them at 2.45"+ and still repeat.

2) Stick with the Lake City; it's good for 1/4 Minute, even in an AR, and can 20X clean every Highpower target made. In a normal .223 chamber of 0.253"-0.255", it has ample neck clearance for consistent velocities, which of course you will need.

The Lapua, honestly, is very nice brass, but unless you have a 0.254" neck or better, in our sport, I think it can cause pressure and elevation issues unless turned. It ends up at a loaded round diameter of 0.2495"-0.250". For XC, with possibly 100 rounds fired between cleaning, I just think more clearance is more better.

Shoot the LC as-is, anneal at 3, and toss it at 5...you got your money out of it.

3) Good. I'm not saying VLDs aren't worth the trouble, but I AM saying that unless you are an extremely accomplished shooter in XC, your time spent dicking with the VLD would have been better spent at the dryfire range.

I dearly love the 80 SMK and the 82 Berger. That being said, some more work of mine this year with just the 77 SMK has yielded some pretty impressive performance in terms of sheer accuracy, even jumping nearly 1/4".

4) You have illustrated to me that--forgive the term--you are asking for a somewhat run-of-the-mill chambering (you're not looking for some extremely long 90-only chamber that will restrict barrel life to 1,000 rounds).

As the Wylde (freebore of 0.062") is intended to put the 80 SMK at the lands at ~2.475" COAL, and usually shoots best somewhere between 0.025" and 0.040" jump, that would give you a theoretical throat life of 50-65 thousandths with a Wylde....maybe 3,000-3,500 rounds before it would need to be set back to keep them in the magazine. That's assuming you stick to the 0.100" erosion = dead principal.

With the Wylde:

If you choose a premium cut blank, don't hit the powder can too hard, and pay attention to concetricity, your barrel's surface would probably outlive it's throat, in regards to the magazine length. SO maybe the Wylde is actually a little longer than you want. Now, if you went with a Wilson or similar buttoned blank, maybe it dies at about the right time (2,500-3,000 rounds)...but that's kinder false economy to me.

Shorter: to pick up some barrel life and keep 80's in the mag, I think you might want something a touch shorter than a Wylde.

Best thing would just be to call up JGS or Manson and see what prints they have that would put the 80 SMK at lands somewhere between 2.450-2.460". In terms of length ONLY, that would be about a "NATO", as they are I think about 0.055" freebore.

Trouble with the NATO reamers is the freebore diameter (YUGE at +0.002" over bullet). Don't allow that to be run into your barrel unless you like the hotdog + hallway effect.


Were it ME doing what you are, I would want:
-0.253" Neck,
-0.050" Freebore length,
-1.25-degree leade,
-0.2240" Freebore diameter.

If you want a little more life, but a touch longer throat, make that a 1.5-degree leade rather than 1.25.

-Nate
 
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